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Memphis Statue of Liberty with Cross, and 10 Commandments

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    Memphis Statue of Liberty with Cross, and 10 Commandments

    I'm sure we can all debate this like adults...Here is an atricle from the NY Times. It talks about a 72 foot replica of the Statue of Liberty in Memphis, holding a cross, and the 10 commandments...

    Here is the article:

    As the congregation of the World Overcomers Outreach Ministries Church looked on and its pastor, Apostle Alton R. Williams, presided, a brown shroud much like a burqa was pulled away to reveal a giant statue of the Lady, but with the Ten Commandments under one arm and "Jehovah" inscribed on her crown.

    And in place of a torch, she held aloft a large gold cross, as if to ward off the pawnshops, the car dealerships and the discount furniture outlets at the busy corner of Kirby Parkway and Winchester that is her home. A single tear graced her cheek.

    It was not clear if she was crying because of her new home, her new identity as a symbol of religion or, as the pastor said, America's increasing godlessness. But although big cheers went up from the few hundred onlookers at the unveiling, and some people even wore foam Lady Liberty crowns bearing Christian slogans, she was not universally welcomed.

    Most of the customers at the Dixie Queen food counter near the church viewed the statue as a cheap attention grab, said Guardia Nelson, 27, who works there.

    "It's a big issue," Ms. Nelson said. "Liberty's supposed to have a fire, not a cross."

    Elena Martinez, a loan officer visiting Memphis from Houston, said her family was speechless at the sight.

    "The Statue of Liberty has a different meaning for the country," Ms. Martinez said. "It doesn't need to be used in a religious sense."

    At the pizza place next door, Amanda Houston pronounced the combination of the Statue of Liberty and Christianity "ridiculous," though her co-worker Landon Condit was far less critical: "I can't see anything wrong with it. This is the Bible Belt."

    The Statue of Liberation Through Christ, as she is called, stands 72 feet tall from the base of her pedestal to the tip of her cross. She was the idea of Mr. Williams, a very successful pastor whose church, World Overcomers, qualifies as mega: it has a school, a bowling alley, a roller rink, a bookstore and, he said, 12,000 members.

    The pastor is not shy. His church has bought full-page advertisements in The Commercial Appeal, the Memphis daily, condemning homosexuality. At the World Overcomers' previous location, neighbors complained that trees were felled unnecessarily; Mr. Williams said it had to be done so that people could see the church from the road.

    The statue, inspired by a Memphis church that has three giant crosses, strikes him as "a creative means of just really letting people know that God is the foundation of our nation," he said.

    Mr. Williams has written several books and pamphlets analyzing a variety of matters, among them patriotism and the original intent of the founding fathers.

    In "The Meaning of the Statue of Liberation Through Christ: Reconnecting Patriotism With Christianity," he explains that the teardrop on his Lady is God's response to what he calls the nation's ills, including legalized abortion, a lack of prayer in schools and the country's "promotion of expressions of New Age, Wicca, secularism and humanism." In another book, he said Hurricane Katrina was retribution for New Orleans's embrace of sin.

    Mr. Williams said his statue's essential point was that Christianity should be the guiding ethos of the nation. But because the church he leads is predominantly black, as is he, there is an added dimension to the message.

    In "From Slavery to Lady Liberty: Lady Liberty's African Connection: The Key to Black America's Liberation," he pointed out that the real Statue of Liberty wears a broken shackle around one ankle, and revisited evidence that the statue, a gift from France, was originally intended not to welcome immigrants but to celebrate the emancipation of slaves.

    "Many blacks are not patriotic, and they are not patriotic because of the history of our nation," Mr. Williams said in an interview at the church, in the richly appointed sitting room he uses to receive visitors. "It's good for our people to know that the nation has something for them as well."

    To critics who say there are better ways to spend $260,000, Mr. Williams responds that his church gives millions to the needy and says he views the statue as outreach: "I personally feel that the answer for the poor is Jesus Christ."

    To celebrate the Fourth of July, a good crowd gathered on the church grounds for free hamburgers and grape soda, carnival rides, a barbecue cook-off and entertainment. Children ate sno-cones, and a small army of volunteers and members of the staff darted around on bicycles and golf carts, dressed in white polo shirts. But the main event was the unveiling, preceded by speeches, prayers and consecrations.

    "I decree the spirit of conviction on this intersection," Mr. Williams boomed from a podium decorated with red, white and blue bunting. "This statue proves that Jesus Christ is Lord over America, he is Lord over Tennessee, he is Lord over Memphis."
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    THE STATUE OF LIBERTY

    The Statue of Liberty in New York harbour was presented in 1884 as a gift from the French Grand Orient Temple Masons to the Masons of America in celebration of the centenary of the first Masonic Republic.

    She is holding the Masonic "Torch of Enlightenment". Also referred to back in the 1700's by the Illuminati Masons as the "Flaming Torch of Reason". The Torch represents the "Sun" in the sky.

    The Statue of Liberty's official title is, "Liberty Enlightening the World".

    The cornerstone of the statue records how it was laid in a Masonic ceremony

    THE TORCH SYMBOL

    Illuminati means to "bare light" one way to symbolize this is by carrying a torch. A torch sits on top of the Statue of Liberty, on top of JFK's grave, and on top of the tunnel where Princess Diana was killed.

    Best selling author, Robert Bauval:

    "The cornerstone for the Statue of Liberty was placed in a solemn ceremony in 1884 organised by the Masonic lodges of New York.

    The Statue of Liberty, which was designed by the French sculptor Bartholdi and actually built by the French Engineer, Gustave Eiffel (both well-known Freemasons), was not originally a ‘Statue of Liberty’ at all, but first planned by Bartholdi for the opening of the Suez Canal in Egypt in 1867.

    Bartholdi, like many French Freemasons of his time, was deeply steeped in ‘Egyptian’ rituals, and it has often been said that he conceived the original statue as an effigy of the goddess Isis, and only later converted it to a ‘Statue of Liberty’ for New York harbour when it was rejected for the Suez Canal."

    The goddess Isis is known by many names, including Juno.

    Interestingly, the goddess Juno made an appearance on a Vatican coin in 1963 (notice her torch)
    during the period of the alleged Freemason Roncalli's Pontificate, the curiously named John XXIII, architect of the disasterous Vatican II.
    From another article by Bauval:

    The 'torch' analogy is very interesting. The original statue of Bartholdi destined first for Port Said at the mouth of the Suez Canal, was also to bear a torch intended to symbolise 'the Orient showing the way'. The 'Grand Orient', of course, is the name of the French Masonic mother lodge, and to which Bartholdi belonged.


    I would say Isis holding a golden cross over the place where all those poor people died is a little crazy. Just the money spent that could help those who couldnt afford to evacuate. There is a masonic lodge in almost every city around here and some trump the churches. These idiots around here give money to be part of this pyramid stuctured group. Now I got no problem with net working and hanging out. But if you look at the belief system, The more power they get the more enslaved non masons must become, they seem to be pure evil at the higher levels. Jahbulon in there god, they consider themselves Emissaries of Jahbulon. Watch the film on google

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    None of the polls results suit me, but I am settling on "No," I don't think this is right. You don't "mock" a foreign gift to propel your own agenda. It's not right for Christians, it's not right for Atheists, it's not right for anybody. I wouldn't be surprised if France took offense to this. This is one man's crusade that the rest of the world should not have to endure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord_of_the_Dense
    None of the polls results suit me, but I am settling on "No," I don't think this is right. You don't "mock" a foreign gift to propel your own agenda. It's not right for Chritians, it's not right for Atheists, it's not right for anybody. I would be surprised if France took offense to this. This is one man's crusade that the rest of the world should not have to endure.
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    Yes, I agree with that completely

    im in the same boat

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    Thats cool cause I have a feeling this masonic symbol will be paid for by the public in one way or another and that is not right. "It's not right for Christians, it's not right for Atheists, it's not right for anybody." thats rings of truth to me, i would also agree Lord of Defense. It's a strange combo of symbols a little creepy looking if you ask me. So domineering like shes about to beat you with that Golden Cross. I have been listening to Alan Watt on google video and his site, strange.

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    Whoever answered - This demonstrates that the US has no tolerance for 'other' religions. The majority rules. Probably also thinks we live in a democracy.










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    but one thing too rember the masons have been around for a long time and do do some thigns for the comuinty no matter were thay are

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