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[BakedDon]

The Housemartins - Sheep

SOmetimes I get so angry at the simple lives they live
They never question anything... Never disagree..
SOmetimes I think they must have wool in thier ears.

IT's SHEEP WERE UP AGAINST

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSBFkIKx46E

[BakedDon]

Your right Riscy Music is a great way to effect the minds of the young people

Its like a magic spell that can truely change you.. It may be cast with guitars and drums but has thee desired effect. Like this website.. It may be written in C++ or PHP but it is still much like a spell.

[BakedDon]

Spearhead live http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORXC1ceIfuw&mode=related&search=

[BakedDon]

Gandhi, Popular Mechanics and The 9/11 Truth Movement
by Ben Chaput, prisonplanet.com

“First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they attack you, then you win.”
- Mahatma Gandhi

Mahatma Gandhi said this referring to his struggles for Indian independence from Britain, but it is just as relevant to the 9/11 truth movement today. If we look at the movement in terms of these stages we can see the progress we have made, and how far we still have to go.

1. “First they ignore you”

From the minute the first plane hit the towers many Americans knew that something was fishy about the whole thing. From the incredible collapse of the towers that looked like a controlled demolition, to the instant naming of Osama Bin Laden as the prime suspect, real students of history saw this tragedy as a classic CIA psy-ops. Almost immediately on websites and chatrooms, small papers and magazines, patriots voiced their concerns and suspicions. However the mainstream media quickly began the cover-up. Nineteen Muslim terrorists hijacked planes with boxcutters. Two of the biggest buildings in the world collapsed from relatively small fires in hours. Osama Bin Laden planned it all from a cave in.

Afghanistan, and financed the whole operation for less than a million dollars. Anyone who thought critically about the attacks saw through the lies and realized that something was wrong. But no one in the mainstream media would report about these questions. Instead they began to beat the war drums and fan the flames of hatred with false videos of Palestinians celebrating the attacks. It would be months before information began coming out in dribs and drabs: public officials warned not to fly, firemen reporting bombs going off in the buildings, Israelis receiving mysterious warnings about the attacks. Eventually there were simply too many questions being asked to simply ignore them.

2. “Then they laugh at you”

Now the globalist-controlled media had to do something about the thousands of people who weren’t buying the government’s official story. So anyone who didn’t fall in line was ridiculed. “Loonies”, “Wingnuts”, “Tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorists”. It didn’t matter that the governments official story was more far-fetched than something out of The X-Files, they had the big microphones in front of them and could say whatever they wanted, because they didn’t dare interview anyone credible who questioned their story. But brave men and women still kept it up on webpages and independent newspapers, refusing to be cowed by the propaganda machine of the globalists, and the movement kept growing.

3. “Then they attack you”

This is the stage we are reaching now. The tidal wave of anger and suspicion has grown too big to simply ignore or laugh off as the ramblings of madmen. The criminal cabal we call the U.S. government realizes that real patriots won’t be silenced that easily and have went on the attack. The Popular Mechanics cover story: Debunking 9/11 Lies is a classic piece of yellow journalism by the corporate creator the term, Hearst Corporation. The article is written by Benjamin Chertoff, allegedly a cousin of Department of Homeland Security Director Michael Chertoff. If you look into Michael Chertoff’s past you will find he has been accused of representing alleged terrorists. This shows how the globalists are all tied together in this gross conspiracy against the United States of America. Chertoff’s article takes some easily disputed fringe theories and attacks them, trying to discredit the entire movement. This tactic is known as setting up a straw man, and is typical of yellow journalism. The article ignores such evidence as CIA insider trading, hard evidence of explosions in the WTC, and the mysterious collapse of WTC building 7. It also outright lies about NORAD intercepting planes before 9/11. This is what the mainstream media considers “debunking”.

This is a good sign, it shows that our efforts are starting to have an effect, but it is only the beginning. We can’t get complacent or slow down our work because the globalists have a huge advantage in money, power, influence, and exposure. But the one advantage we have is numbers. More and more people are waking up every day and rejecting the government lies, demanding that the truth be told to all Americans. It may seem impossible, but we should look to Gandhi for inspiration. He stood up to the British Empire at the height of its power and eventually succeeded. If we stay true to our beliefs and do what we know is right we will succeed as well, and return our great Republic to the People once and for all.

[BakedDon]

mms://stream2.emmisaustin.com/klbj-am

This link will get your WIndows Media Player to KLBJ am radio

ALex Jones Is live Free every SUNDAY IT just Started Right Now

[BakedDon]

STREAMMMING IT NOW

Alex is fighting for your freedom

The pioneers of a warless world are the young men and women who refuse military service.
-Albert Einstein

[BakedDon]

Happy Birthday Alex Jones

[riscy]

Wow, Baked Done - you seriously are into them!! Glad I thought to pass them on - now check out Chumbawamba (http://www.chumba.com) - an anarchist band. Some free MP3s on their site (under downloads) - check out Pass it along (MP3 mix) or find it on my multiply.com site (just put my user name in front of multiply.com and add a fullstop)

[riscy]

They are less political in some ways, but more political in others.

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Just posting to say hello

[BakedDon]

They are less political in some ways, but more political in others.

Yea I went there and got the free ones before...


I couldnt get into it.. Can you recommend a particular album by them??

[BakedDon]

Yea I still neglect Multiply

I dont know why

Its way better than myspace

Yours is sweet too.

[ThumperZ1]

Greetz all!

[ThumperZ1]

Just popped in to update my Grid.org stats.

[ThumperZ1]

As of post 21265:
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[ThumperZ1]

Finally some nicer weather yesterday... It actually got above freezing!!

[ThumperZ1]

But today the temp is dropping and are expecting freezing drizzle, then 4-8 inches of snow by tomorrow night.
YUCK!:thumbsdow

[BakedDon]

Barak is for the UN not AMerica

Hilary is for Bildiberg and Tri Lateral another Big Brother who will white wash previous bs

Mayor G is so shady He openly wants you to turn in your guns and openly said
he knew the buildings were coming down well listen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1C3K6aJ5S1M

Has the mass media covered Ron Paul running for president

No thier busy asking you whos shoes you like more Hilarys or Rices

[BakedDon]

Giuliani, O'Reilly Among Olbermann's Worst Persons (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xTOO9zil14&NR)

[BakedDon]

Take Action Today at: http://saveaccess.org/node/726

Now the new House Commerce & Telecommunications Subcommittee meets on Thursday, Feb. 15th, also to review the FCC.

This annual Q/A of the FCC by the House Subcommittee is yet another important moment for us to respond to the December 20th FCC Ruling on Video Franchising. That FCC ruling went far deeper than the failed Congressional legislation of last year in attacking Public, Educational, and Governmental (PEG) Access channels and facilities. It also threatens local municipalities ability to exercise control over their 'rights of way" and provides little protection against the red-lining of entire communities. Worse of all, the FCC hearing on the matter was rife with inaccuracies and half-truths that even the phone companies backed away from. Such behavior by a Federal agency is reprehensible and we demand full accountability now!

The organizations representing cities, along with the Alliance for Community Media, have promised a lawsuit - but we need for members of the House to hear from the people and respond accordingly. Congressional intervention can stop this mess now!

Please take a moment today to send our letter to your elected representatives and key members of the House Subcommittee! We have to ensure that 'local video franchising' is on the top of the House list of problematic issues with the FCC. And though we are seriously miffed about this mess, we have a proper and polite letter you can send to your Representative and key members of the House Commerce Subcommittee

Take Action Today at: http://saveaccess.org/node/726

Thank you!

[BakedDon]

Is there anywhere better I can post this ??????? Administrators
Tell the House to Stop the FCC!

[BakedDon]

First, a big thank you for responding so quickly to our last campaign. Over a four day period, you sent more than 80,000 letters to the Senate Commerce Committee telling them to Stop the FCC!

YOu just give them name and email and they send the letter to your rep for you

[BakedDon]

TAKE ACTION - SEND THIS LETTER TODAY! (http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/saveaccess/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=6724)

[BakedDon]

Or let them limit your choices even more so they can dull and dumb you down..

[BakedDon]

Well maybe not you cause you have internet right now and all the freedom that it provides.. But the average joe being dumbed down will eventually effect you too.

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I'm just going to go ahead and say it: I think that this control you're talking about already exists, but not in the form that you're talking about. When you mention the FCC (whom I dispise!) I don't think it's success comes from those that want to dull us down, or limit our choices; rather, I think these things come from those that have religious investments, and want to see changes made "for the better" of society. The FCC wasn't made to stop free information across the states. It wasn made to keep people like me from taking a shit on national television. :hello: Evangelical Christians are the lobbyists, conservatives (not political) are the lobbyists.

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QUOTE: "Waste not fresh tears over old griefs."

HINT: 480 or 485—406 , Greek tragic dramatist, ranking
with Aeschylus and Sophocles. Born in Attica.

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Beethoven was 5'2".

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Mona Lisa had no eyebrows.

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Soybeans are the most potent. Flatulence-wise.

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Lock, Stock and Barrel

Meaning: The whole thing.
Guns. The lock (firing mechanism), stock (wooden mount),
and barrel constitued the main parts of an old rifle.

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Dog Days

Meaning: The hottest days of summer.

The Ancient Roamsn believed that there was a period during
the summer when "the brightest star in the heavens, the dog
star 'Sirius,' added its heat to the sun's, making these days
veritable inferno."

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Great Scott!

Meaning: An exlamation of surprise or amazement.

One of America's most admired soldiers during the 19th
century was General Winfield Scott, hero of the Mexican
War in 1847. He inspired the phrase in the mid-1800's.

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QUOTE: "Waste not fresh tears over old griefs."

ANSWER: Euripides

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QUOTE: "You're not the only one who's made mistakes,
but they're the only things that you can truly call
your own."

HINT: The Piano Man

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Real Name: Reginald Kenneth Dwight
Birthday: 03/25/1947

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He has played the piano since he was four years old.

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In a career spanning five decades, Elton John has sold
over 250 million records and has over 50 Top 40 hits.

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In 1984 he surprised many by marrying sound engineer
Renate Blauel. While the marriage lasted four years,
John later maintained that he had realized that he was
gay before he married.

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Elton John was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of
Fame in his first year of eligibility in 1994.

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On October 9, 2006, The Walt Disney Company named Elton
a Disney Legend, the company's highest honor, for his
numerous outstanding contributions to Disney's films and
theatrical works

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QUOTE: "You're not the only one who's made mistakes,
but they're the only things that you can truly call
your own."

ANSWER: Billy Joel

[riscy]

Elton John - sorry, SIR Elton now!Real Name: Reginald Kenneth Dwight
Birthday: 03/25/1947

[riscy]

Sorry, MM - thought that was a clue for the celeb of the day LOL

[riscy]

Posted some fun news stuff

[riscy]

Will post a few in here now

[riscy]

NOt much happening at the minute

[riscy]

Just thought that I would hang around and see if anyone pops in

[riscy]

Still a bit early for most people

[riscy]

Here are some of the headlines I posted in the forums - see if any grab you :

Trash-Filled Car Crashes In West Yarmouth

[riscy]

10 Worst Drivers Ever Caught on Video

[riscy]

Truck Spills 40 Tons of Cow Intestines

GROSS

[riscy]

Angry German tourist drops pants at airport X-ray machine

Gone visual on that one

[riscy]

Whoever said truth is stranger than fiction was definitely correct.

[riscy]

I never cease to be amazed by the weirdness of people

[riscy]

Before the internet were we protected from this in our own little worlds, or are being people being more stupid to get on the internet?

[riscy]

I think the latter - YouTube is the perfect example.

[tiremonkey2000]

I think the latter - YouTube is the perfect example.

:lol:

[BakedDon]

Navy may deploy anti-terrorism dolphins

Associated Press | February 12, 2007
THOMAS WATKINS

Dozens of dolphins and sea lions trained to detect and apprehend waterborne attackers could be sent to patrol a military base in Washington state, the Navy said Monday. In a notice published in this week's Federal Register, the Navy said it needs to bolster security at Naval Base Kitsap-Bangor, on the Puget Sound close to Seattle.

The base is home to submarines, ships and laboratories and is potentially vulnerable to attack by terrorist swimmers and scuba divers, the notice states.

Several options are under consideration, but the preferred plan would be to send as many as 30 California sea lions and Atlantic Bottlenose dolphins from the Navy's Marine Mammal Program, based in San Diego.

"These animals have the capabilities for what needs to be done for this particular mission," said Tom LaPuzza, a spokesman for the Marine Mammal Program.

LaPuzza said that because of their astonishing sonar abilities, dolphins are excellent at patrolling for swimmers and divers. When a Navy dolphin detects a person in the water, it drops a beacon. This tells a human interception team where to find the suspicious swimmer.

Dolphins also are trained to detect underwater mines; they were sent to do this in the Iraqi harbor of Umm Qasr in 2003. The last time the animals were used operationally in San Diego was in 1996, when they patrolled the bay during the Republican National Convention.

Sea lions can carry in their mouths special cuffs attached to long ropes. If the animal finds a rogue swimmer, it can clamp the cuff around the person's leg. The individual can then be reeled in for questioning.

The Navy is seeking public comment for an environmental impact statement on the proposal.

The Navy wanted to deploy marine animals to the Northwest in 1989, LaPuzza said, but a federal judge sided with animal-rights activists concerned about the effects of cooler water, as well as how the creatures would affect the environment. Water in the Puget Sound is about 10 degrees cooler than in San Diego Harbor, which has an average temperature of about 58 degrees, LaPuzza said.

Since then, the Navy has taken the dolphins and sea lions to cold-water places like Alaska and Scandinavia to see how they cope.

"They did very well," LaPuzza said. If the animals are sent to Washington, the dolphins would be housed in heated enclosures and would patrol the bay only for periods of about two hours.

Stephanie Boyles, a marine biologist and spokeswoman for People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, said that sea mammals do not provide a reliable defense system, and that they should not be kept in small enclosures.

"We believe the United States' citizens deserve the very best defense possible, and this just isn't it," Boyles said, adding that dolphins are easily distracted once in open water. "They don't understand the consequences of what will happen if they don't carry out the mission."

Dolphins can live as long as 30 years. LaPuzza said the Navy occasionally gives its retired animals to marine parks but generally keeps them until they die of old age.

The Navy has been training marine mammals since the 1960s and keeps about 100 dolphins and sea lions. Most are in San Diego, but about 20 are deployed at Naval Submarine Base Kings Bay, Ga.

The Navy hopes eventually to downsize its marine mammal program and replace the animals with machines.

"But the technology just isn't there yet," LaPuzza said. "The value of the marine mammals is we've been doing this for 35 years, and we've ironed out all the kinks."

___

On the Net:

Navy Marine Mammal Program, http://www.spawar.navy.mil/sandiego/technolog

y/mammals/

[BakedDon]

Senator Dodd to introduce 'Restoring the Constitution Act of 2007'; Bans torture, restores habeas corpus

Raw Story | February 13, 2007

Senator Chris Dodd (D-CT) will introduce a bill called the "Restoring the Constitution Act of 2007" tomorrow, according to a website his presidential campaign put up today.

The bill will overturn parts of the "Military Commissions Act," signed into law last October, which suspends habeas corpus for "alien enemy combatants."

"I want to see us get back as a nation that supports the rule of law," said Dodd in an Internet video introducing the legislation. "That was our tradition, by and large, over the last fifty years ... and we've watched this administration retreat from those standards, and as a result I think the world is a more dangerous place today because we're unwilling to stand up for the rule of law."

According to the blog Blue Jersey, New Jersey Democratic senator Robert Menendez, who voted for the Military Commissions Act, will co-sponsor the bill.

A video of Dodd talking about the bill is below. The name of the bill has apparently changed since the video was created.

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Just wanted to say hello!

[riscy]

Me too - hello :)Just wanted to say hello!

[riscy]

How's it hanging MM - you have been away for a bit. Missed you

[riscy]

How is the theatre coming along?

Or shouldn't I ask?

[riscy]

Pretty quiet over here - just waiting on details of the new job

[riscy]

We need to start the visa procedure soon, and start all the paperwork - it takes ages

[riscy]

Well, just a few more posts before I leave for the day

[riscy]

I might take some time at the weekend and backup some of my HD - music, and apps etc

[riscy]

I will be selling the PC in the next few months so I will need to make copies of those

[riscy]

Just checked and my 80GB HD only has 10 left - loads of music stored here

[riscy]

I think I will post a few more to make my next century

[riscy]

Another few steps towards the goal

[riscy]

Ten more to go

[riscy]

Listening to - Prodigy V Enya

[riscy]

^^ Sounds weird, but it works really well

[riscy]

^^ Smack my bitch up with Orinoco flow at the same time - mental!

[riscy]

Going to listen to some of my weird muzak on the HD - happy V day all. Have a good hug , grope, whatever.

[riscy]

Catch you tomorrow hopefully

[riscy]

4 more

[riscy]

nearly there

[riscy]

and here it is

[riscy]

4800 - later, all!

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QUOTE: "Love is composed of a single soul inhabiting
two bodies."

HINT: Was a Greek philosopher, a student of Plato and
teacher of Alexander the Great.

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Every day 200 million couples make love, 400,000 babies
are born, and 140,000 people die.

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Chocolate liquor is the primary ingredient found in all
chocolate except white chocolate.

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Approximately 90 million roses, primarily red, will be sold
and delivered for Valentine's Day.

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Cupid became associated with V-Day because he was the son
of Venus, the Roman god of love and beauty. Cupid often
appears on Valentine cards holding a bow and arrows be-
cause he is believed to use magical arrows to inspire
feelings of love.

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Some people used to believe that if a woman saw a robin
flying overhead on Valentine's Day, it meant she would
marry a sailor. If she saw a sparrow, she would marry a
poor man and be very happy. If she saw a goldfinch, she
would marry a millionaire.

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The Kama Sutra is believed to be the oldest sex manual
in existence. Generally considered the standard work on
love in Sanskrit literature, the book is thought to have
been written around 300 A.D.

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QUOTE: "Love is composed of a single soul inhabiting
two bodies."

ANSWER: Aristotle

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QUOTE: "Pray don't talk to me about the weather, Mr.
Worthing. Whenever people talk to me about the weather,
I always feel quite certain that they mean something
else."

HINT: Was an Anglo-Irish playwright, novelist, poet, and
short story writer. One of the most successful play-
wrights of late Victorian London.

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Outlook - The Hazardous Weather Outlook will contain
any and all information pertaining to potential winter
storms that may occur in the latter days of the forecast.

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Watch - A watch is used when the risk of hazardous winter
weather has increased significantly, there is a strong
possibility it will reach warning criteria, and falls in
the 12 to 48 hour portion of the forecast.

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Warning - These products are issued when an event is
occurring, is imminent, or has a very high probability
of occurrence. Warnings are issued for events that
can be life threatening: Snow, Ice, Wind Chill

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Blowing Snow: Wind driven-snow that reduces visibility
and causes significant drifting. Blowing snow may be
snow that is falling and/or loose snow on the
ground that is picked up by the wind.

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Squalls: Brief, intense snow showers accompanied by
strong, gusty winds. Accumulation may be significant.
Snow squalls are best known in the Great Lakes region.

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Blizzard: Winds over 35 mph with snow and blowing snow
reducing visibility to near zero.

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QUOTE: "Pray don't talk to me about the weather, Mr.
Worthing. Whenever people talk to me about the weather,
I always feel quite certain that they mean something
else."

ANSWER: Oscar Wilde

[tiremonkey2000]

I'm so tired

[tiremonkey2000]

Work has been just hellish

[tiremonkey2000]

Jericho is on.......

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Good morning everyone

[riscy]

Hi MM

[riscy]

Looks like I missed you - darn

[riscy]

You might be out to lunch

[riscy]

Oh well, catch you next time

[riscy]

hasta la vista

[riscy]

^^ will wait for vista to stabilise before installing it

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Hey Riscy

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Not sure if you're still around or not.

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Man, I really like this new sig banner

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Well, I'll be in and out. Hopefully I'll catch you later

[riscy]

Hi MM

[riscy]

Cool banner, indeed! Sexy eyes, and I'm not talking about you !!

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Yeah, I really like it!

[riscy]

I can feel a change of banner coming on

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I'll have to post the full picture here some time. I was going to do it this morning, but didn't have the time to photoshop it down to the right size

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Yeah, you've had that one for quite some time now.

[riscy]

I like this black grey one, which you did but might go for something new

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Yeah. Any idea what to?

[riscy]

I will see if I can do something in the next few days

[riscy]

I still like blacks and greys, so I might change some pics to BW

[riscy]

I will see what I can find on the HD

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That sounds good

[riscy]

I might need some help resizing etc - will let you know if I have probs

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Making any progress on those LOST eps?

[riscy]

I will check out some of my "arty pics" and see if they work

[riscy]

Not yet, will get to them some time soonMaking any progress on those LOST eps?

[riscy]

Off camping in the desert tomorrow

[riscy]

Will catch you on Saturday maybe

[riscy]

It is a very stressful time here at the minute - I might email you with details, shall I use your gmail?

[riscy]

Too much to say in the forums

[riscy]

How is the theatre project progressing?

[mathmission]

That sounds good. Good episode last night!

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Theatre project is still under research. I'm not sure what's going to happen, but I am making good progress, and am finding out all the things I need to know. I'd say that I'm going to have a good answer as to whether this is going to happen or not in about 4 to 5 weeks

[riscy]

Excellent re theatre - BTW, what are the dimensions for banners - I am about to resize an image and see how it looks ?

[riscy]

OOps - slightly too big!

[riscy]

Removed it as it was too big - need to resize it, as the bishop...

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I think it needs to be about 500 by 150

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Sorry that took so long.

And yes, feel free to use my gmail

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Sorry again; I was reading up on some LOST things

[riscy]

Sorry, MM - messing around with this sig

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that's ok. Just send me an email when you get the chance

[riscy]

I am uploading it to photobucket and then linking to it

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Cool cool

[riscy]

and that is causing probs

[riscy]

It is not stretching it as you see!

[riscy]

I will do it again now

[riscy]

Back in a min

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Hmm, not sure why that's not working...

[riscy]

Sorry, nearly there I think - as the bishop...

[riscy]

I uploaded this pic to UTC and now it won't let me get rid of it

[riscy]

I have resized and put it on photobucket but the updated link is not working and I cannot get rid of the UTC linked image - which is wrong!! grr

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Hmmm... I'm not sure what the problem is. I've never uploaded pictures before. I just use the [IMG ] to show a picture in the sig

[riscy]

I will just remove it and play with it later (no comment :) )

[mathmission]

You might try using that code to get the picture to load properly. Of course, you'll have to store it somewhre on the net, and have it linked in your sig. Otherwise, I'm not sure what to suggest, outside of talking with Carrie. Like I said, I've never uploaded a picture to be used as a sig

[riscy]

Now it will not let me bloody remove it - can you do that for me please MM, as mod?

[riscy]

So do you host somewhere else - what I have always done until now?

[riscy]

This is pissing me off!

[riscy]

It should be very simple, but takes ages - and the thing is that I am quite good with tech. For a newbie this would be a nightmare!

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This is certianly weird...TEST:

http://www.unitethecows.com/forums/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=17431&dateline=1171571246

[riscy]

I keep getting the message - remote file is too large

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http://www.unitethecows.com/forums/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=17431&dateline=1171571246

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I still don't know what's going on. Mine is a 500 by 100 image.

[riscy]

I will come back to it fresh tomorrow - you know what they say, the machine only does what you tell it to, so no doubt it is my f**k up!

[riscy]

I will try to remove the shitty code and leave no sig for a day or two

[riscy]

Well, thank you, my friend, for bearing with me through my rant and tribulations

[riscy]

Hopefully I will have a new improved sig which washes whiter than white very soon.

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I hope so too! Good luck with that. Sorry that I couldn't have been more helpful

[riscy]

gtg cu later MM - thanks for the advice

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QUOTE: "We think our fathers fools, so wise we grow.
Our wiser sons, no doubt will think us so."

HINT: (May 22, 1688 May 30, 1744) Is considered one of
the greatest English poets of the eighteenth century.

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Dalai Lama is Tibetan title meaning "Ocean of Wisdom."

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Humans have 350 smell receptor genes. Mice have 1000.

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When Babe Ruth played baseball, he wore a cabbage leaf
under his cap to keep him cool on hot days.

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The first American to enter Germany after the signing of the
Armistice of World War 1 rode in on a Harley-Davidson
motorcycle.

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For 3 Hours

William Bourne, a British mathematician, drew plans for a
submarine in 1578. But it was only in 1620 that Cornelius
van Drebbel, a Dutch inventor, managed to build a submarine.
He wrapped a wooden rowboat tightly in waterproofed leather
and had air tubes with floats to the surface to provide
oxygen. Of course, there were no engines yet, so the oars
went through the hull at leather gaskets. He took the first
trip with 12 oarsmen in the Thames River.

[mathmission]

In 1950, Diners Club and American Express launched their
charge cards in the USA, the first "plastic money". In
1951, Diners Club issued the first credit card to 200
customers who could use it at 27 restaurants in New York

[mathmission]

QUOTE: "We think our fathers fools, so wise we grow.
Our wiser sons, no doubt will think us so."

ANSWER: Alexander Pope

[mathmission]

QUOTE: "Not life, but good life, is to be chiefly valued."

HINT: At age 70 he was charged with heresy and corruption
of local youth. (469 BC - 399 BC), Philosopher

[mathmission]

The word "pizza" is from the Italian word pizza (pittsa),
with plural form pizze (pit:tse). The term was originally
used to refer to a range of dough-based dishes, and is t
hought to be derived from pinza ? Latin pincere "to mash
up".

[mathmission]

Modern pizza is attributed to baker Raffaele Esposito of
Naples in the Italian region of Campania.

[mathmission]

"Paris Hilton" is the No. 1 fake name used by people
calling for pizza deliveries.

[mathmission]

Each year, 9 million tons of salt, more than 10 percent of
all the salt produced in the world, is applied to American
highways for road de-icing.

[mathmission]

A hammer and papaya

Papaya leaves and unripe papaya have an enzyme called
papain that breaks down protein in meat to make it tender.
That’s why papaya can be used as a meat tenderizer.

[mathmission]

I Scream for Ice-cream

In the 1920s, Paul S. Crawley opened an ice cream parlor
in Shanghai and sold over one million Eskimo Pies in the
first year of operation.

[mathmission]

QUOTE: "Not life, but good life, is to be chiefly valued."

ANSWER: Socrates

[ThumperZ1]

Much like John Tesh, Mathmission gives us intelligence for our lives. Very nice mm!

[ThumperZ1]

The weekend is upon us and the snow is falling. I hate snow.

[ThumperZ1]

I joined a diet plan last week and have thus far lost 9 pounds... I'm hungry..

[ThumperZ1]

Oh well, time to update Grid.org stats.

[ThumperZ1]

As of post 21441:
New:

Total CPU Time (y:d:h:m:s) (Rank) 6:305:10:15:54 (# 10,113)
Points Generated (Rank) 1,918,055 (#4,088)
Results Returned (Rank) 6,910 (#7,073)

Old:
Total CPU Time (y:d:h:m:s) (Rank) 6:298:00:15:39 (# 10,139)
Points Generated (Rank) 1,911,800 (#4,098)
Results Returned (Rank) 6,882 (#7,105)

[ThumperZ1]

I can't wait for Sunday's Daytona 500! Go Jr!!! or Michael Waltrip in his new Camry.

[ThumperZ1]

So far, the intrigue of all the suspensions and fines at speed week has made for very interesting reading. I'm sure the fallout will affect the teams for weeks and months.

[ThumperZ1]

I know if my car was disqualified or times were disqualified because of some yo-yo on the crew, I'd be upset. Gordon wins the 2nd Dual and gets to start in back because someone hooked something up lower than it should be. Michael Waltrip's main car got impounded and he had to qualify in a backup car with no practice. Someone had put a bit of jet fuel in it.

[ThumperZ1]

Well, now that the season finale of Stargate Atlantis has shown in England, I can't wait to find out how it shakes out. Here in America, they don't start the final half of the season til June.
The final half of the season of Stargate SG-1 is now showing in England. It also doesn't start here until June. I think England just showed episode 16 or so. Since this is the final season of SG-1, it is getting interesting.

[ThumperZ1]

Hmmmm, almost time to go watch Jennifer Love Hewitt. :Insane: (Ghost Whisperer)

[ThumperZ1]

You all have a great weekend!! :thumup:

[riscy]

As you can see, got it sorted - messed around with it - now I might add some text and upload again :)

[BakedDon]

"REAL ID" - REAL REBELLION BREWING







By Steven Yates

Go To Original (http://www.newswithviews.com/Yates/steven25.htm)

Last month, Maine became the first state to pass legislation declining participation in the national ID system mandated by the Real ID Act of 2005. State-level legislation either repudiating Real ID, asking Congress to repeal its worst privacy-violating provisions, or asking for a delay while states study the issue, exists in various stages (sometimes passed by one House but not the other), or is being considered, in other states: as of this writing, the list consists of Arizona, Georgia, Hawaii, Missouri, Montana, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Utah, Vermont, Washington State, and Wyoming. In other words, a state-led rebellion against Real ID is brewing. Let’s review the relevant history.

The Real ID Act of 2005 was passed by Congress not on its own (nonexistent) merits but folded into the larger Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsumani Relief, 2005 (PL 109-13) as its Division B. This bill, which included appropriations for the Iraq War, was considered must-pass by Congress and signed into law by President Bush on May 11, 2005. This means that the Real ID Act was passed as the equivalent of a stealth measure—the sort of thing author Claire Wolfe called land-mine legislation in a classical article. The Real ID Act does not just federalize our driver’s licenses but hand them over to the Department of Homeland Security. It calls for the creation of mammoth databases of information on law-abiding U.S. citizens. It places state Departments of Motor Vehicles (DMVs) in the position of having to become domestic spies—and it does so without any thought to the resources required, much less the dangers (e.g., of identity theft). It was signed into law despite the opposition of dozens of groups all across the political spectrum.

An impact analysis released last September by the National Governors Association, the National Conference of State Legislatures and the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators is devastating. These groups show that efforts to implement Real ID will create a massively expensive logistic and bureaucratic nightmare. State DMVs have neither the technology nor the manpower to implement this gigantic unfunded federal mandate—nor the legal means to compel compliance from those they must contact to secure verification of documents. The cost to my state (personal correspondence from the executive director of South Carolina DMV) could range from $25 to $28 million, with recurring costs in the $10 million to $11 million range. The study just cited estimates the total cost of implementing Real ID at over $11 billion over a five year period, with upfront costs of around $1 billion! The costs to individual U.S. citizens attempting to obtain or renew a driver’s license? Unknown, although I have one estimate at $100!

This analysis overlooks a crucial point: the Real ID Act is unconstitutional! The Constitution does not give any branch or any agency of the federal government this kind of power! It should come as no surprise, however, if no one associated with this thing has read our country’s founding document. Thus, as matters currently stand, unconstitutional or not, Real ID goes into effect on May 11, 2008. When it goes into effect, here is what we are looking at: without a Department of Homeland Security approved conversion of one’s driver’s license or other personal ID into the Real ID, law-abiding U.S. citizens will not be able to board an airplane, open a bank account, collect Social Security, obtain a passport, enter federal buildings or otherwise do business with the federal government or other commercial endeavors requiring federally-mandated standards of personal identification.

Those of us who have been following these matters for close to ten years saw this coming. There was, after all, a stealth effort to give every American a national ID card during the Clinton years. That law, also a stealth measure buried deep inside an omnibus appropriations bill, would have gone into effect in October 2000. It was thwarted. The post-9/11 era has given us a political climate more amenable to setting up a surveillance state. The official line on Real ID, originating with one interpretation of 9/11 Commission recommendations, is that it will hamper illegal immigration and protect us from terrorism. Obviously, though, if the federal government was serious about either, they would start enforcing existing immigration laws, cease imprisoning border patrol agents for doing their jobs, and secure our border with Mexico. But of course, Real ID is not about immigration, it is not about border control, and it is not about terrorism. It is about tagging and monitoring U.S. citizens.

The elites behind this boondoggle may have bitten off more than they can chew. I recently obtained a document entitled “Administrative Burdens on the States Imposed by the Real ID Act.” It states that “Real ID changes the very nature and mission of DMVs, from responsible primarily for ensuring the safe operation of vehicles on state roadways, into wide-ranging enforcement agents of the federal government in areas from rules to Social Security fraud.” The document goes on to enumerate the requirements of the Real ID Act, along with the problems.

One of the worst of these stems from the requirement that states “shall verify, with the issuing agency, the issuance, validity, and completeness of each document required to be presented” to get the Real ID. The required documents include an existing photo ID, proof of date of birth, proof of Social Security number, proof of address, and proof of citizenship or lawful immigration status.

Take just the birth certificate requirement. Just presenting one’s birth certificate is not good enough, since birth certificates can be forged. There are five problems. (1) DMVs will need to contact the municipality that issued the license and ask them to confirm that they have a birth certificate on file. Over 6.000 different jurisdictions issue birth certificates. (2) Many of these files do not exist in electronic form. Therefore, a clerk will have to locate the physical document in paper files stretching back decades. (3) Birth certificates are not standardized; thus the DMV clerk and the jurisdiction clerk will have to compare copies to verify the “issuance, validity and completeness” of the original. The potential for bureaucratic snafus is enormous. Some might be as seemingly minor as a discrepancy in the spelling of someone’s name due to a typo by a careless clerk. (4) The DMV clerk will then have to certify completion of the verification process. In order to complete the conversion from the present system to Real ID this will have to be done for approximately 190 million driver’s license holders in the United States.

Finally, (5) there will be people for whom birth information cannot be located, much less verified. Over decades of time, records are misplaced, lost, accidentally destroyed, or rendered unobtainable when facilities close. Even electronic records are damaged or destroyed when hard drives crash and files are not properly backed up. And believe it or not, there are people who do not have birth certificates—especially the thousands of now-elderly people who were not born in hospitals.

[BakedDon]

Take the case of James Scott, 81, born at home in South Carolina but now living in New Jersey. Last year New Jersey began implementing a “six point” ID verification program to begin complying with the Real ID Act. Scott brought his Social Security card and a photo-ID issued by the Passaic County Sheriff’s Department, but these didn’t satisfy the new requirements. He was told he needed either a recent passport or a birth certificate. He had neither. Thus his effort to renew his New Jersey driver’s license was thwarted. Other family members relied on him for transportation, so New Jersey’s refusal to renew his license caused them unnecessary hardship. Scott, a Navy veteran of World War II, told local media, “I served this country. The president didn’t want my birth certificate when he sent his letter drafting me…. I can’t produce something that doesn’t exist.” He quit driving when his license expired. His daughter is attempting to cobble together South Carolina records. Complicating matters is that South Carolina is reviewing records for 27 James Scotts!

There are no provisions in the Real ID Act for such people. States such as New Jersey have attempted to set up “exceptions” clauses for the James Scotts of the country—setting up a two-tiered society: those who are Real ID compliant versus those who are not. The former, of course, will have many opportunities unavailable to the latter.

Birth certificates are just one problem area. Others include: the requirement that states set up extensive electronic databases with interstate data-sharing networks. These will require complex administrative, technical and security measures. DMVs will have to expand into massive bureaucracies. In addition to the higher fees mentioned above, those attempting to obtain or renew their driver’s licenses will face longer lines, poorer service, and greater time-expenditures often through return trips after locating (if they are able to do so) records capable of meeting the new requirements. Ironically, we will probably be less secure. Identity thieves have been caught hacking into DMV databases, and more than one DMV clerk has been implicated in identity theft. Thousands of hastily-trained clerks doubtless to be paid rock-bottom wages risk magnifying this problem! Can anyone in his right mind believe this system can be made secure?!

The situation is even worse! Real ID presents the potential for what may be called a public-private “security-industrial complex,” as information on citizens in these databases is sold to private entities. In recent years we have seen the emergence of private sector data aggregators with names like ChoicePoint, Acxiom, and Lexis-Nexis. Collecting electronic data is now a multi-billion-dollar industry that builds dossiers on individuals using a variety of sources. The federal government is increasingly turning to such companies for help with security functions. The FBI, for example, pays millions to ChoicePoint, and the Transportation Security Administration wants to use such firms in performing identity checks on airline passengers. The risks of identity theft through data theft just get larger.

Finally, there is the real possibility that radio frequency identification (RFID) chips will be placed in Real ID compliant cards—eventually if not right away. The Real ID Act speaks only of requiring “a common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements,” leaving unspecified what Homeland Security will require. Well-connected corporations such as VeriChip®, which manufactures RFID chips, are ready to move. RFID chips in consumer merchandize can be made more efficient than cash, checks or credit cards as the merchandize changes hands. Real ID is thus a potential stepping stone to a cashless society where every legal transaction is conducted electronically—and recorded. It is also a stepping stone to a state of affairs where government spooks can monitor your every activity. They need only scan your ID by remote as you walk or drive within range of their equipment. The final step, of course, will be implanting RFID chips in human beings—marking us all like cattle. (This is already being done to farm animals through the National Animal Identification System.) Dissent will be far easier to control. Become identified as a potential threat, and the authorities may elect simply to disable your chip by remote. The dissident will be rendered unable to buy his next meal.

Is there hope of derailing this train before it gets that far? Writing the above paragraph, I had a wicked thought, one which brings to mind the several people who emailed me regarding my article promoting Ron Paul’s candidacy for the Republican nomination in 2008. A few readers wondered what Dr. Paul’s chances could really be. It is true that our “big box” political parties are controlled by globalist oligarchs who don’t want a genuine Constitutionalist anywhere near the White House! One astute reader pointed out that I’d stated this myself in The Real Matrix: “ … elected officials in national elites answer to [the super-elite]. Those without the tacit approval of the super-elite have no chance of coming within a thousand miles of the Oval Office. The masses of people, meanwhile, will have been ‘educated’ to adjust to society, which in this context means following the crowd and automatically withholding support from anyone who ‘can’t get elected.’”

Is this still true, or could circumstances change? The wicked thought: allow Real ID to run its course. Beginning on May 11, 2008, and over the course of the year and ensuing years, it will smack millions of presently unsuspecting people right in the kisser. They will find themselves treated like second-class citizens or even criminals by bored and indifferent clerks if they cannot produce the required papers on demand. Variations on the James Scott scenario may well be repeated all across the country. Some, of course, will buy the official propaganda about government “making us all safer.” Others will become very upset at long lines, repeat trips, and red tape. DMVs may have to take measures to deal with angry citizens, such as increased police presence. Some drivers may allow themselves to be temporarily sidelined while they struggle to locate pieces of paper they haven’t needed for years. Even those who have all their papers will gasp at the expense. Some will probably will take their chances and drive illegally, with expired licenses. One of the side effects of Real ID may well be an epidemic of unlicensed drivers. Ordinary people, after all, rely on their cars to get to work, obtain groceries and do the other things that make up a normal American life today. They will not willingly give this up to satisfy politicians and bureaucrats. Real ID will thus further erode respect for the law.

Faced with the direct and immediate threat of not being able to drive legally, more and more people will laugh at pseudo-pundits who try to dismiss concerns about Real ID as “conspiracy theory” or some other such tripe. They may or may not realize that we are now in more danger from our own government (and its controlling oligarchs) than we are from terrorists. Mounting frustration and anger among those having trouble renewing their driver’s licenses in 2008 could be channeled into grassroots support for a candidate for the Presidency who, given the chance, will put the brakes on our fast track to a surveillance police state. Dr. Paul is the obvious choice, and Tom Tancredo who already enjoys some visibility from his stand on illegal immigration would make an excellent running mate. Tancredo, as most readers probably know, has launched his own exploratory committee. The two, whose views are not identical, should figure out a way to work together, and draw their supporters into a single, unified movement.

The rise to prominence of a team promising a swift and Constitutional resolution to the potential Real ID train wreck and to larger issues involving the future of U.S. sovereignty could make 2008 a very interesting year, to say the least. Reflecting the concerns of a couple of other readers, I do hope that if Dr. Paul pursues his candidacy he hires some good bodyguards and surveillance people of his own—history shows pretty clearly that our ruling banking oligarchs place little value on the lives of those opposing their goals of world domination. They are not the only ones willing to threaten someone wanting to end our federal government’s present policy of open borders. Tancredo canceled a Florida appearance a few weeks ago because of a death threat. Matters could come to a head in this society in 2008. Will we continue our headlong rush towards corporatist enslavement, or begin the journey back to individual freedom under Constitutional government?
The rebellion against Real ID has started at the state level, and I consider this good news! Realization is dawning within the states that Real ID isn’t going to work under present conditions. Thus last week, Maine took the leap, and may become the test case plunging the whole national ID scheme into crisis. Above I listed other states considering legislation sometimes repudiating and sometimes calling for delaying implementing Real ID. We need repudiation in all 50 states. If every state in the Union declines to participate in this scheme and remains steadfast despite likely federal attempts at bribery, Real ID is finished. The feds will have to back down. No one really thinks they will allow the airlines to go under, for example, when citizens can no longer pass its draconian security measures. As the saying goes, good riddance to bad rubbish.

[BakedDon]

Take the case of James Scott, 81, born at home in South Carolina but now living in New Jersey. Last year New Jersey began implementing a “six point” ID verification program to begin complying with the Real ID Act. Scott brought his Social Security card and a photo-ID issued by the Passaic County Sheriff’s Department, but these didn’t satisfy the new requirements. He was told he needed either a recent passport or a birth certificate. He had neither. Thus his effort to renew his New Jersey driver’s license was thwarted. Other family members relied on him for transportation, so New Jersey’s refusal to renew his license caused them unnecessary hardship. Scott, a Navy veteran of World War II, told local media, “I served this country. The president didn’t want my birth certificate when he sent his letter drafting me…. I can’t produce something that doesn’t exist.” He quit driving when his license expired. His daughter is attempting to cobble together South Carolina records. Complicating matters is that South Carolina is reviewing records for 27 James Scotts!

There are no provisions in the Real ID Act for such people. States such as New Jersey have attempted to set up “exceptions” clauses for the James Scotts of the country—setting up a two-tiered society: those who are Real ID compliant versus those who are not. The former, of course, will have many opportunities unavailable to the latter.

Birth certificates are just one problem area. Others include: the requirement that states set up extensive electronic databases with interstate data-sharing networks. These will require complex administrative, technical and security measures. DMVs will have to expand into massive bureaucracies. In addition to the higher fees mentioned above, those attempting to obtain or renew their driver’s licenses will face longer lines, poorer service, and greater time-expenditures often through return trips after locating (if they are able to do so) records capable of meeting the new requirements. Ironically, we will probably be less secure. Identity thieves have been caught hacking into DMV databases, and more than one DMV clerk has been implicated in identity theft. Thousands of hastily-trained clerks doubtless to be paid rock-bottom wages risk magnifying this problem! Can anyone in his right mind believe this system can be made secure?!

The situation is even worse! Real ID presents the potential for what may be called a public-private “security-industrial complex,” as information on citizens in these databases is sold to private entities. In recent years we have seen the emergence of private sector data aggregators with names like ChoicePoint, Acxiom, and Lexis-Nexis. Collecting electronic data is now a multi-billion-dollar industry that builds dossiers on individuals using a variety of sources. The federal government is increasingly turning to such companies for help with security functions. The FBI, for example, pays millions to ChoicePoint, and the Transportation Security Administration wants to use such firms in performing identity checks on airline passengers. The risks of identity theft through data theft just get larger.

Finally, there is the real possibility that radio frequency identification (RFID) chips will be placed in Real ID compliant cards—eventually if not right away. The Real ID Act speaks only of requiring “a common machine-readable technology, with defined minimum data elements,” leaving unspecified what Homeland Security will require. Well-connected corporations such as VeriChip®, which manufactures RFID chips, are ready to move. RFID chips in consumer merchandize can be made more efficient than cash, checks or credit cards as the merchandize changes hands. Real ID is thus a potential stepping stone to a cashless society where every legal transaction is conducted electronically—and recorded. It is also a stepping stone to a state of affairs where government spooks can monitor your every activity. They need only scan your ID by remote as you walk or drive within range of their equipment. The final step, of course, will be implanting RFID chips in human beings—marking us all like cattle. (This is already being done to farm animals through the National Animal Identification System.) Dissent will be far easier to control. Become identified as a potential threat, and the authorities may elect simply to disable your chip by remote. The dissident will be rendered unable to buy his next meal.

Is there hope of derailing this train before it gets that far? Writing the above paragraph, I had a wicked thought, one which brings to mind the several people who emailed me regarding my article promoting Ron Paul’s candidacy for the Republican nomination in 2008. A few readers wondered what Dr. Paul’s chances could really be. It is true that our “big box” political parties are controlled by globalist oligarchs who don’t want a genuine Constitutionalist anywhere near the White House! One astute reader pointed out that I’d stated this myself in The Real Matrix: “ … elected officials in national elites answer to [the super-elite]. Those without the tacit approval of the super-elite have no chance of coming within a thousand miles of the Oval Office. The masses of people, meanwhile, will have been ‘educated’ to adjust to society, which in this context means following the crowd and automatically withholding support from anyone who ‘can’t get elected.’”

Is this still true, or could circumstances change? The wicked thought: allow Real ID to run its course. Beginning on May 11, 2008, and over the course of the year and ensuing years, it will smack millions of presently unsuspecting people right in the kisser. They will find themselves treated like second-class citizens or even criminals by bored and indifferent clerks if they cannot produce the required papers on demand. Variations on the James Scott scenario may well be repeated all across the country. Some, of course, will buy the official propaganda about government “making us all safer.” Others will become very upset at long lines, repeat trips, and red tape. DMVs may have to take measures to deal with angry citizens, such as increased police presence. Some drivers may allow themselves to be temporarily sidelined while they struggle to locate pieces of paper they haven’t needed for years. Even those who have all their papers will gasp at the expense. Some will probably will take their chances and drive illegally, with expired licenses. One of the side effects of Real ID may well be an epidemic of unlicensed drivers. Ordinary people, after all, rely on their cars to get to work, obtain groceries and do the other things that make up a normal American life today. They will not willingly give this up to satisfy politicians and bureaucrats. Real ID will thus further erode respect for the law.

Faced with the direct and immediate threat of not being able to drive legally, more and more people will laugh at pseudo-pundits who try to dismiss concerns about Real ID as “conspiracy theory” or some other such tripe. They may or may not realize that we are now in more danger from our own government (and its controlling oligarchs) than we are from terrorists. Mounting frustration and anger among those having trouble renewing their driver’s licenses in 2008 could be channeled into grassroots support for a candidate for the Presidency who, given the chance, will put the brakes on our fast track to a surveillance police state. Dr. Paul is the obvious choice, and Tom Tancredo who already enjoys some visibility from his stand on illegal immigration would make an excellent running mate. Tancredo, as most readers probably know, has launched his own exploratory committee. The two, whose views are not identical, should figure out a way to work together, and draw their supporters into a single, unified movement.

The rise to prominence of a team promising a swift and Constitutional resolution to the potential Real ID train wreck and to larger issues involving the future of U.S. sovereignty could make 2008 a very interesting year, to say the least. Reflecting the concerns of a couple of other readers, I do hope that if Dr. Paul pursues his candidacy he hires some good bodyguards and surveillance people of his own—history shows pretty clearly that our ruling banking oligarchs place little value on the lives of those opposing their goals of world domination. They are not the only ones willing to threaten someone wanting to end our federal government’s present policy of open borders. Tancredo canceled a Florida appearance a few weeks ago because of a death threat. Matters could come to a head in this society in 2008. Will we continue our headlong rush towards corporatist enslavement, or begin the journey back to individual freedom under Constitutional government?
The rebellion against Real ID has started at the state level, and I consider this good news! Realization is dawning within the states that Real ID isn’t going to work under present conditions. Thus last week, Maine took the leap, and may become the test case plunging the whole national ID scheme into crisis. Above I listed other states considering legislation sometimes repudiating and sometimes calling for delaying implementing Real ID. We need repudiation in all 50 states. If every state in the Union declines to participate in this scheme and remains steadfast despite likely federal attempts at bribery, Real ID is finished. The feds will have to back down. No one really thinks they will allow the airlines to go under, for example, when citizens can no longer pass its draconian security measures. As the saying goes, good riddance to bad rubbish.

[BakedDon]

Dont take the chip

[BakedDon]

9/11: The Birth of Treason This stunning new documentary provides the most comprehensive view of the evidence (http://video.google.com/url?docid=-710213549148507636&esrc=sr1&ev=v&q=9/11:+The+Birth+of+Treason+This+stunning+new+documen tary+provides+the+most+comprehensive+view+of+the+e vidence&vidurl=http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D-710213549148507636%26q%3D9%252F11%253A%2BThe%2BBir th%2Bof%2BTreason%2BThis%2Bstunning%2Bnew%2Bdocume ntary%2Bprovides%2Bthe%2Bmost%2Bcomprehensive%2Bvi ew%2Bof%2Bthe%2Bevidence%26hl%3Den&usg=AL29H23jz_q8oUvoAE7EOAKHT-tkmLjSSg)

[BakedDon]

Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection

By Marc Kaufman
Washington Post Staff Writer



The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.

The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.

"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."

Federal health and drug enforcement officials have widely used Tashkin's previous work on marijuana to make the case that the drug is dangerous. Tashkin said that while he still believes marijuana is potentially harmful, its cancer-causing effects appear to be of less concern than previously thought.

Earlier work established that marijuana does contain cancer-causing chemicals as potentially harmful as those in tobacco, he said. However, marijuana also contains the chemical THC, which he said may kill aging cells and keep them from becoming cancerous.

Tashkin's study, funded by the National Institutes of Health's National Institute on Drug Abuse, involved 1,200 people in Los Angeles who had lung, neck or head cancer and an additional 1,040 people without cancer matched by age, sex and neighborhood.

They were all asked about their lifetime use of marijuana, tobacco and alcohol. The heaviest marijuana smokers had lighted up more than 22,000 times, while moderately heavy usage was defined as smoking 11,000 to 22,000 marijuana cigarettes. Tashkin found that even the very heavy marijuana smokers showed no increased incidence of the three cancers studied.

"This is the largest case-control study ever done, and everyone had to fill out a very extensive questionnaire about marijuana use," he said. "Bias can creep into any research, but we controlled for as many confounding factors as we could, and so I believe these results have real meaning."

Tashkin's group at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA had hypothesized that marijuana would raise the risk of cancer on the basis of earlier small human studies, lab studies of animals, and the fact that marijuana users inhale more deeply and generally hold smoke in their lungs longer than tobacco smokers -- exposing them to the dangerous chemicals for a longer time. In addition, Tashkin said, previous studies found that marijuana tar has 50 percent higher concentrations of chemicals linked to cancer than tobacco cigarette tar.

While no association between marijuana smoking and cancer was found, the study findings, presented to the American Thoracic Society International Conference this week, did find a 20-fold increase in lung cancer among people who smoked two or more packs of cigarettes a day.

The study was limited to people younger than 60 because those older than that were generally not exposed to marijuana in their youth, when it is most often tried.


(i'm surprised no one has associated cannabis' broncho dialating properties with this phenomenon. pot smoke actually opens the bronchial tubes and helps expand the alveoli, where as cigarette smoke constricts.)



another study finds:

Salynn Boyles
WebMD Medical News
The THC Connection

Studies suggest that marijuana smoke contains 50% higher concentrations of chemicals linked to lung cancerlung cancer than cigarette smoke. Marijuana smokers also tend to inhale deeper than cigarette smokers and hold the inhaled smoke in their lungs longer.

So why isn't smoking marijuana as dangerous as smoking cigarettes in terms of cancercancer risk?

The answer isn't clear, but the experts say it might have something to do with tetrahydrocannabinol, or THC, which is a chemical found in marijuana smoke.

Cellular studies and even some studies in animal models suggest that THC has antitumor properties, either by encouraging the death of genetically damaged cells that can become cancerous or by restricting the development of the blood supply that feeds tumors, Tashkin tells WebMD.

In a review of the research published last fall, University of Colorado molecular biologist Robert Melamede, PhD, concluded that the THC in cannabis seems to lessen the tumor-promoting properties of marijuana smoke.

The nicotine in tobacco has been shown to inhibit the destruction of cancer-causing cells, Melamede tells WebMD. THC does not appear to do this and may even do the opposite.

[riscy]

Hi BD - are you still around?

[riscy]

Just popped in - had a long day - 12 hours. Absolutely exhausted.

[riscy]

Might just change my sig - or rather modify it.

[BakedDon]

Sup Riscy

[BakedDon]

"To those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty my message is this...
fear the United States, for you will lose your liberty. -attorney general ashcroft

[mathmission]

Hey Riscy, I like the sig change!

[riscy]

Not sure about the sig, MM - it looks a bit quickly done (whch it was).

I might redo it in a few days time.

[riscy]

At least in style it is different to yours - at one time we had very similar looking sigs.

[riscy]

Hi BD - how's it going?Sup Riscy

[mathmission]

Yeah, that's true. But I do like it.

[riscy]

Well it is a pic of a wooden door - the picture is actually quite arty farty, and I used that as the back. The colours for the text - you can probably figure out.

[riscy]

I really should upload some of my pics online, but I am too lazy

[riscy]

Might stick around and post a few here for half an hour or so

[riscy]

Not much going on - just the same old same old

[riscy]

Well, listening to some mashup tracks

[riscy]

I think I will start a new book tonight

[riscy]

Catch you tomorrow

[mathmission]

I'm really bad about keeping on here, when you're around.

[mathmission]

They keep asking me to do things, and then I just disappear for a while.

[mathmission]

Sorry Riscy, I'll catch you again later!

[mathmission]

I, too, have to head out. Talk to you soon :hello:

[BakedDon]

Carlos Mencia is really Ned Collness he must be part of the conspiracy to divide and dumbdown America.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7841918711943453918


Carlos Mencia calls out Joe Rogan onstage, and gets PWN3D

[BakedDon]

alk about an invasion of privacy..... A high school in New Jersey is to start using a controversial alcohol test to detect if students have been drinking up to a week before. More…

NJ High School Starts Alcohol Testing Students (http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2007-02/ns-utd021407.php)

[BakedDon]

Veteran reporter Carl Bernstein says the lack of truth and candor from the Bush administration is unprecedented in his experience. This president has a record of dishonesty and obfuscation that is Nixonian in character in its willingness to manipulate the press, to manipulate the truth...That's the real story [the press] should have been writing. (http://www.rawstory.com//news/2007/Bernstein_Bush_administrations_disinformation_misi nformation_something_0214.html)

[BakedDon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji_G0MqAqq8&NR?

Ron Paul explains the FED

[BakedDon]

Subhash Kak, Delaune Distinguished Professor of Electrical and Computer Engineering at LSU, recently resolved the twin paradox, known as one of the most enduring puzzles of modern-day physics. First suggested by Albert Einstein more than 100 years ago, the paradox deals with the effects of time in the context of travel at near the speed of light

LSU professor resolves Einstein's twin paradox (http://www.physorg.com/news90697187.html)

[BakedDon]

How to make 2,210,369% in the stock market! :: moMONEY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=buZahX5sMo0&mode=related&search=)

[BakedDon]

wouldnt it be nice if a dollar saved today was still worth a dollar when your retire.

[BakedDon]

Inflation and Excess Taxes: The True Hidden Enemy of Savings (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lsHgDv0_kQ&mode=related&search=)

[BakedDon]

When the U.S. was taken off the gold standard in 1933, gold certificates were withdrawn from circulation. As noted above, it was illegal to own them.

[mathmission]

I don't think that there's any way to avoid inflation. Look over the past 2000 years in any country. A shilling wasn't worth the same as it is now. The dollar has gone up and down in international markets.

Sometimes I think these videos are informative, but some times they suggest things that don't seem to be possible, and are baseless in terms of past history. Depressions happen, markets change. Even if the US were to back out of every single world market, and were to manage its own money soley within the country, the dollar value would go up and down based on the strength of the economy.

[riscy]

hi MM

[riscy]

Will hang around for a bit and see if you are here

[riscy]

Well, I will just post until I make my next 100

[riscy]

Only 10 to go

[riscy]

Got a long weekend in 2 days time - woohoo!

[riscy]

Going to do lots of sleeping and eating

[riscy]

Will try to be online and post loads during those days

[riscy]

Although most people are online when I am in here in the evenings

[riscy]

Just 5 more

[riscy]

Listening to : Negativland - the CopyWrong Show

[riscy]

A weird phenomenon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negativland)- a band is not the correct name

[riscy]

Lots of stuff to listen to and they do a 3 hour radio show every week

[mathmission]

Hey Riscy

[riscy]

I try to listen to a few of their shows once in a while

[mathmission]

Sorry that I haven't been around much. They've got me doing all these little tasks that take forever