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mathmission
02-01-2007, 03:01 PM
Hey BakeDon, not sure if this goes with the global warming stuff you just wrote, but I posted my letter to the newspaper down in the politics thread. You might be interested.
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 06:40 AM
Moms With More Education Less Likely to Vaccinate Their Kids
Women who never graduated high school are more likely to have their children vaccinated than women who graduated college.
To come to this conclusion, researchers examined data on almost 12,000 families from the National Immunization Survey, a nationwide survey of childhood vaccinations that includes information about ethnicity and socioeconomic status.
Children of less-educated mothers were 16 percent more likely to have up-to-date vaccinations.
The study's senior author posited that the reason could be the controversy regarding the safety of vaccinations, and a higher awareness of this among the educated.
American Journal of Public Health December 28, 2006
The New York Times January 17, 2007
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Dr. Mercola's Comment:
I realize that the issue of vaccination is quite controversial and is one of the bedrocks of "prevention" in conventional medicine. Anyone who opposes them is viewed as a dangerous lunatic.
This is exactly the view I had when I graduated medical school. However, after 20 years of practice and encountering hundreds of vaccine casualties in my practice, and carefully reviewing the evidence, I came to a different conclusion.
I strongly encourage you to review the evidence before you expose your own children to these potentially dangerous injections. I am convinced that their questionable benefits are far outweighed by their side effects.
Apparently many educated parents agree with this position as the above study demonstrates.
Avoiding vaccinations for your children tends to look like the better choice the more you know about the subject. Vaccines given to newborns contain an array of potentially toxic chemicals including formaldehyde, the mercury-containing preservative thimerosal, aluminum phosphate (toxic and carcinogenic), antibiotics, phenols (corrosive to skin and toxic), live viruses and various other components.
Before you decide to vaccinate your children, do them a favor and look into the many risks and side effects associated with common childhood vaccines. Doing so could literally mean the difference between life and death.
There are alternate and vastly safer methods of protecting yourself against disease that all begin with a truly healthy diet, as outlined in my eating plan; of course, drug manufacturers and the government they have purchased don't want you to believe that the foods you consume and the habits you adopt are the primary solution to establishing immunity to diseases and living longer.
They want you to believe that their pharmaceuticals, including vaccines, are essential to your existence, and your children's.
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 07:23 AM
in other words.... "only idiots vaccinate their kids"
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 07:24 AM
Well that how I see it...
Dont put mercury in your little ones
its in them for life
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 07:24 AM
Hey BakeDon, not sure if this goes with the global warming stuff you just wrote, but I posted my letter to the newspaper down in the politics thread. You might be interested.
very interesting
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 07:26 AM
I say send it to the newspapers competion too
Well u may have to change it a little
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 07:35 AM
Olbermann: The March to War 2
Olbermann compares Bush's 2002 comments in the build up to the war in Iraq to those in 2007 in the midst of heightening tension with Iran. The rhetoric is almost identical as the American people are sold another unconstitutional, suicidal, disasterous war.
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 07:37 AM
The U.S. wants the world's scientists to develop technology to block sunlight as a last-ditch way to halt global warming.
The U.S. wants the world’s scientists to develop technology to block sunlight as a last-ditch way to halt global warming.
It says research into techniques such as giant mirrors in space or reflective dust pumped into the atmosphere would be “important insurance” against rising emissions, and has lobbied for such a strategy to be recommended by a U.N. report on climate change, the first part of which is due out on Friday).
The U.S. has also attempted to steer the U.N. report, prepared by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), away from conclusions that would support a new worldwide climate treaty based on binding targets to reduce emissions. It has demanded a draft of the report be changed to emphasise the benefits of voluntary agreements and to include criticisms of the Kyoto Protocol, which the U.S. opposes.
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 07:40 AM
The article with links Here (http://www.thenewamerican.com/artman/publish/article_2585.shtml)
"Prevent the UN From Pirating the Internet"
by Steven J. DuBord
November 14, 2005
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[NOTE: See "The UN's Desire to Control the Internet," The New American, December 12, 2005, for an extensively revised and updated version of this article.] Do you treasure the freedom to wade out into the vast sea of information that is the Internet and surf the World Wide Web? Then look out for what is coming over the horizon: a fleet of ships is bearing down on you and your little surf(key)board, and they are flying the blue Jolly Roger of the United Nations.
You will see among them such ships of state as Russia, China, Cuba, Iran, Sudan, and Zimbabwe, hardly paragons of liberty and human rights. All of them are waving their cutlasses in outrage that the United States is refusing (for now) to relinquish its supervisory role over the private-sector, not-for-profit Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). Even the European Union has revealed its true colors and fired a broadside of protest against supposed U.S. dominance of the Internet. The captain of this bunch of scurvy knaves is none other than the UN secretary-general himself, Kofi �Oil-for-food� Annan (who apparently wears his eye patch over the eye that he is supposed to use to watch over his corrupt underlings).
ICANN is essentially the mapmaker for the Internet. It handles the technical operations of the root servers of the Internet, mapping the relatively easy to remember domain names like apple.com or whitehouse.gov to the unique numerical address assigned to that domain. Since its inception in 1998, ICANN has plotted this map with a minimum of governmental interference and for only nominal fees. Now, Captain Kofi has his remaining unpatched eye trained on this map, looking not only for control of cyberspace, but for the buried treasure of taxing access to it. To this end, he will be convening the second World Summit on the Information Society this November 16-18 in � of all places � Tunisia.
Consider what the journalistic organization Reporters Without Borders has to say about Tunisia in their 2005 report: �The Tunisian media work in a strait-jacket. The press code stipulates heavy fines or prison sentences for the author of any overly critical article or comment.� The report also notes: �Repressive laws, bureaucratic harassment, the withdrawal of state advertising, corruption, police violence, political trials and torture are all common practices that have been condemned by human rights organizations. Self-censorship has become second nature for journalists confronted by a brutal and ubiquitous apparatus of repression.� Yet this is where Captain Kofi has his crew digging for the root servers of the Internet.
Running under a false flag of neutrality and magnanimity, Annan tried to plunder public opinion in a November 5 Washington Post article, claiming to believe that �censoring cyberspace, compromising its technical underpinnings or submitting it to stringent governmental oversight would mean turning our backs on one of today's greatest instruments of progress. To defend the Internet is to defend freedom itself.� Aye, aye, Captain! But if you mean one word of what you say about the Internet, then tell me how you can justify �defending� it with a summit in Tunisia? After all, I�m sure that China would have been happy to make Tiananmen Square available.
At the risk of sounding like the parrot on Captain Kofi�s shoulder, to protect the Internet really is to protect freedom itself. It�s time to sound �battle stations� in defense of the current system of private oversight under the auspices of the United States. ICANN is, in a sense, the Internet Service Provider to all other Internet Service Providers. The UN covets this role of �master� Internet Service Provider because most of its members are repressive governments who lust for this control, while the organization itself drools at the thought of limitless income. You still can�t think of any other reasons to get involved in preventing the UN from pirating control of the Internet? I can.
When was the last time a chief executive officer of your Internet Service Provider was deeply involved in allowing a tyrannical dictator to swindle billions of dollars in humanitarian aid? UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan is deeply implicated in the UN oil-for-food scandal, which netted Saddam Hussein over $10 billion in illegal revenues and lined the pockets of UN Undersecretary-General Benon Sevan � Annan�s prot�g� � to the tune of $1 million. Can you imagine a better choice for master Internet Service Provider than Annan and his cronies? I can.
When was the last time you typed in some search terms to your favorite search engine and found that a member of your Internet Service Provider�s board of directors had blocked access to all results using those words? If you were a resident of Communist China, you would find that your government had coerced even American companies (such as Microsoft, Yahoo!, and Google) which operate search sites in China into blocking words like �freedom,� �democracy,� �human rights,� and �Taiwan independence.� (For further information, read �A World Wide Web of Oppression.") How strange, then, that Communist China has not only replaced the free republic of Taiwan at the UN, it has become a permanent member of the UN�s Security Council � the board of directors, if you will. Can you imagine a better choice for master Internet Service Provider than a body that promotes such an oppressor to its board of directors? I can.
When was the last time you heard that the human resources department of your Internet Service Provider was abusing the very people they are supposed to protect? �Dilbert� cartoons notwithstanding, the best example of this is the UN�s own Commission on Human Rights. China, Cuba, Sudan, and Zimbabwe sit on this commission, all of them known for violating the human rights of their own citizens. If the UN allows the fox to guard the henhouse, so to speak, it surely can�t be trusted to fairly oversee the use of the Internet to promote freedom and human rights. Can you imagine a better master Internet Service Provider than an organization that allows the worst criminals to judge what constitutes a crime? I can.
When was the last time you heard that employees and security guards at your Internet Service Provider were guilty of running prostitution rings, even forcing children into sexual servitude? In recent years, UN personnel and peacekeepers in the Democratic Republic of Congo, Liberia, Burundi, Haiti, Kosovo, and other locations have been awash in allegations of sexual misconduct. The charges range from outright rape of women and children to coercing them into exchanging sex for food, medicine, and other relief supplies. Can you imagine a better master Internet Service Provider than one which employs pimps and sexual predators? I can.
And so, apparently, can Senator Norm Coleman (R-Minn.). Reuters reported Sen. Coleman�s concern for the Internet on Oct. 19: �Is it going to become a vehicle for global taxation of domain names? Are you going to allow folks who have demonstrated a pattern of suppression of content, are they going to be put in charge of running this thing?� The gentleman from Minnesota knows that of which he speaks: he has led a Senate investigation into the UN's oil-for-food scandal. When he says, �I really think you're talking about the future of the Internet here,� only a fool would ignore his warning.
Thankfully, Sen. Coleman has put some bite behind his bark and sponsored Senate Resolution 273 (S. Res. 273), �Expressing the sense of the Senate that the United Nations and other international organizations shall not be allowed to exercise control over the Internet.� He is not alone. Rep. John Doolittle (R-Calif.) has introduced House Concurrent Resolution 268 (H. Con. Res. 268), �Expressing the sense of the Congress regarding oversight of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers.�
Now is the time to load your e-mail cannons and fire off a salvo in support of S. Res. 273 and H. Con. Res. 268. Click here for online sample letters to Congress. Whether the question is, �Who should oversee the Internet?� or, �Can I help save the Internet?� there is only one answer that will keep cyberspace freedom afloat: �ICANN.�
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 08:22 AM
Free Tibet
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 08:22 AM
or at least ban chinese goods
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 08:26 AM
Queen Elizabeth meets with the Chinese government with open arms, but refuses to meet with the Dalia Lama
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 08:26 AM
hmmmm could it be SATAN
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 08:27 AM
F voting run for office
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 03:57 PM
The American Medical System Is The Leading Cause Of Death And Injury In The United States
Category: Life
The American Medical System
Is The Leading Cause Of Death And Injury In The United States
By Gary Null PhD, Carolyn Dean MD ND, Martin Feldman MD, Debora Rasio MD, Dorothy Smith PhD
A definitive review and close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government health statistics shows that American medicine frequently causes more harm than good. The number of people having in-hospital, adverse drug reactions (ADR) to prescribed medicine is 2.2 million. (1) Dr. Richard Besser, of the CDC, in 1995, said the number of unnecessary antibiotics prescribed annually for viral infections was 20 million. Dr. Besser, in 2003, now refers to tens of millions of unnecessary antibiotics. (2, 2a)
The number of unnecessary medical and surgical procedures performed annually is 7.5 million. (3) The number of people exposed to unnecessary hospitalization annually is 8.9 million. (4) The total number of iatrogenic [induced inadvertently by a physician or surgeon or by medical treatment or diagnostic procedures] deaths is 783,936.
The 2001 heart disease annual death rate is 699,697; the annual cancer death rate is 553,251. (5) It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States.
Introduction
Never before have the complete statistics on the multiple causes of iatrogenesis been combined in one paper. Medical science amasses tens of thousands of papers annually—each one a tiny fragment of the whole picture. To look at only one piece and try to understand the benefits and risks is to stand one inch away from an elephant and describe everything about it. You have to pull back to reveal the complete picture, such as we have done here. Each specialty, each division of medicine, keeps their own records and data on morbidity and mortality like pieces of a puzzle. But the numbers and statistics were always hiding in plain sight. We have now completed the painstaking work of reviewing thousands and thousands of studies. Finally putting the puzzle together we came up with some disturbing answers.
Is American Medicine Working?
At 14 percent of the Gross National Product, health care spending reached $1.6 trillion in 2003. (15) Considering this enormous expenditure, we should have the best medicine in the world. We should be reversing disease, preventing disease, and doing minimal harm. However, careful and objective review shows the opposite. Because of the extraordinary narrow context of medical technology through which contemporary medicine examines the human condition, we are completely missing the full picture.
Medicine is not taking into consideration the following monumentally important aspects of a healthy human organism:
(a) Stress and how it adversely affects the immune system and life processes
(b) Insufficient exercise
(c) Excessive caloric intake
(d) Highly processed and denatured foods grown in denatured and chemically damaged soil
(e) Exposure to tens of thousands of environmental toxins.
Instead of minimizing these disease-causing factors, we actually cause more illness through medical technology, diagnostic testing, overuse of medical and surgical procedures, and overuse of pharmaceutical drugs. The huge disservice of this therapeutic strategy is the result of little effort or money being appropriated for preventing disease.
Under-reporting of Iatrogenic Events
As few as 5 percent and only up to 20 percent of iatrogenic acts are ever reported. (16, 24, 25, 33,34) This implies that if medical errors were completely and accurately reported, we would have a much higher annual iatrogenic death rate than 783,936. Dr. Leape, in 1994, said his figure of 180,000 medical mistakes annually was equivalent to three jumbo-jet crashes every two days.16 Our report shows that six jumbo jets are falling out of the sky each and every day.
Correcting a Compromised System
What we must deduce from this report is that medicine is in need of complete and total reform: from the curriculum in medical schools to protecting patients from excessive medical intervention. It is quite obvious that we can't change anything if we are not honest about what needs to be changed. This report simply shows the degree to which change is required.
We are fully aware that what stands in the way of change are powerful pharmaceutical companies, medical technology companies, and special interest groups with enormous vested interests in the business of medicine. They fund medical research, support medical schools and hospitals, and advertise in medical journals. With deep pockets they entice scientists and academics to support their efforts. Such funding can sway the balance of opinion from professional caution to uncritical acceptance of a new therapy or drug.
You only have to look at the number of invested people on hospital, medical, and government health advisory boards to see conflict of interest. The public is mostly unaware of these interlocking interests. For example, a 2003 study found that nearly half of medical school faculty, who serve on Institutional Review Boards (IRB) to advise on clinical trial research, also serve as consultants to the pharmaceutical industry. (17) The authors were concerned that such representation could cause potential conflicts of interest.
A news release by Dr. Erik Campbell, the lead author, said, "Our previous research with faculty has shown us that ties to industry can affect scientific behavior, leading to such things as trade secrecy and delays in publishing research. It's possible that similar relationships with companies could affect IRB members' activities and attitudes." (18)
Medical Ethics and Conflict of Interest in Scientific Medicine
Jonathan Quick, director of Essential Drugs and Medicines Policy for the World Health Organization (WHO) wrote in a recent WHO Bulletin:
"If clinical trials become a commercial venture in which self-interest overrules public interest and desire overrules science, then the social contract which allows research on human subjects in return for medical advances is broken." (19)
Former editor of the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM), Dr. Marcia Angell, struggled to bring the attention of the world to the problem of commercializing scientific research in her outgoing editorial titled "Is Academic Medicine for Sale?" (20) Angell called for stronger restrictions on pharmaceutical stock ownership and other financial incentives for researchers. She said that growing conflicts of interest are tainting science.
She warned that, "When the boundaries between industry and academic medicine become as blurred as they are now, the business goals of industry influence the mission of medical schools in multiple ways." She did not discount the benefits of research but said a Faustian bargain now existed between medical schools and the pharmaceutical industry.
Angell left the NEMJ in June 2000. Two years later, in June 2002, the NEJM announced that it would now accept biased journalists (those who accept money from drug companies) because it is too difficult to find ones who have no ties. Another former editor of the journal, Dr. Jerome Kassirer, said that was just not the case, that there are plenty of researchers who don't work for drug companies. (21) The ABC report said that one measurable tie between pharmaceutical companies and doctors amounts to over $2 billion a year spent for over 314,000 events that doctors attend.
The ABC report also noted that a survey of clinical trials revealed that when a drug company funds a study, there is a 90 percent chance that the drug will be perceived as effective whereas a non-drug company-funded study will show favorable results 50 percent of the time.
It appears that money can't buy you love but it can buy you any "scientific" result you want.
The only safeguard to reporting these studies was if the journal writers remained unbiased. That is no longer the case.
Cynthia Crossen, writer for the Wall Street Journal in 1996, published "Tainted Truth: The Manipulation of Fact in America," a book about the widespread practice of lying with statistics. (22) Commenting on the state of scientific research she said that:
"The road to hell was paved with the flood of corporate research dollars that eagerly filled gaps left by slashed government research funding."
Her data on financial involvement showed that in l981 the drug industry "gave" $292 million to colleges and universities for research. In l991 it "gave" $2.1 billion.
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 03:57 PM
The First Iatrogenic Study
Dr. Lucian L. Leape opened medicine's Pandora's box in his 1994 JAMA paper, "Error in Medicine." (16) He began the paper by reminiscing about Florence Nightingale's maxim—"first do no harm." But he found evidence of the opposite happening in medicine. He found that Schimmel reported in 1964 that 20 percent of hospital patients suffered iatrogenic injury, with a 20 percent fatality rate. Steel in 1981 reported that 36 percent of hospitalized patients experienced iatrogenesis with a 25 percent fatality rate and adverse drug reactions were involved in 50 percent of the injuries. Bedell in 1991 reported that 64 percent of acute heart attacks in one hospital were preventable and were mostly due to adverse drug reactions.
However, Leape focused on his and Brennan's "Harvard Medical Practice Study" published in 1991.16a They found that in 1984, in New York State, there was a 4 percent iatrogenic injury rate for patients with a 14 percent fatality rate. From the 98,609 patients injured and the 14 percent fatality rate, he estimated that in the whole of the United States 180,000 people die each year, partly as a result of iatrogenic injury. Leape compared these deaths to the equivalent of three jumbo-jet crashes every two days.
Why Leape chose to use the much lower figure of four percent injury for his analysis remains in question. Perhaps he wanted to tread lightly. If Leape had, instead, calculated the average rate among the three studies he cites (36 percent, 20 percent, and 4 percent), he would have come up with a 20 percent medical error rate. The number of fatalities that he could have presented, using an average rate of injury and his 14 percent fatality, is an annual 1,189,576 iatrogenic deaths, or over ten jumbo jets crashing every day.
Leape acknowledged that the literature on medical error is sparse and we are only seeing the tip of the iceberg. He said that when errors are specifically sought out, reported rates are "distressingly high." He cited several autopsy studies with rates as high as 35 percent to 40 percent of missed diagnoses causing death. He also commented that an intensive care unit reported an average of 1.7 errors per day per patient, and 29 percent of those errors were potentially serious or fatal.
We wonder: what is the effect on someone who daily gets the wrong medication, the wrong dose, the wrong procedure; how do we measure the accumulated burden of injury; and when the patient finally succumbs after the tenth error that week, what is entered on the death certificate?
Leape calculated the rate of error in the intensive care unit. First, he found that each patient had an average of 178 "activities" (staff/procedure/medical interactions) a day, of which 1.7 were errors, which means a 1 percent failure rate. To some this may not seem like much, but putting this into perspective, Leape cited industry standards where in aviation a 0.1 percent failure rate would mean:
* Two unsafe plane landings per day at O'Hare airport
* In the U.S. mail, 16,000 pieces of lost mail every hour
* In banking, 32,000 bank checks deducted from the wrong bank account every hour
Analyzing why there is so much medical error Leape acknowledged the lack of reporting. Unlike a jumbo-jet crash, which gets instant media coverage, hospital errors are spread out over the country in thousands of different locations. They are also perceived as isolated and unusual events. However, the most important reason that medical error is unrecognized and growing, according to Leape, was, and still is, that doctors and nurses are unequipped to deal with human error, due to the culture of medical training and practice.
Doctors are taught that mistakes are unacceptable. Medical mistakes are therefore viewed as a failure of character and any error equals negligence. We can see how a great deal of sweeping under the rug takes place since nobody is taught what to do when medical error does occur. Leape cited McIntyre and Popper who said the "infallibility model" of medicine leads to intellectual dishonesty with a need to cover up mistakes rather than admit them. There are no Grand Rounds on medical errors, no sharing of failures among doctors and no one to support them emotionally when their error harms a patient. Leape hoped his paper would encourage medicine "to fundamentally change the way they think about errors and why they occur." It's been almost a decade since this groundbreaking work, but the mistakes continue to soar.
One year later, in 1995, a report in JAMA said that:
"Over a million patients are injured in U.S. hospitals each year, and approximately 280,000 die annually as a result of these injuries. Therefore, the iatrogenic death rate dwarfs the annual automobile accident mortality rate of 45,000 and accounts for more deaths than all other accidents combined." (23)
At a press conference in 1997 Dr. Leape released a nationwide poll on patient iatrogenesis conducted by the National Patient Safety Foundation (NPSF), which is sponsored by the American Medical Association. The survey found that more than 100 million Americans have been impacted directly and indirectly by a medical mistake. Forty-two percent were directly affected and a total of 84 percent personally knew of someone who had experienced a medical mistake.(14) Dr. Leape is a founding member of the NPSF.
Dr. Leape at this press conference also updated his 1994 statistics saying that medical errors in inpatient hospital settings nationwide, as of 1997, could be as high as 3 million and could cost as much as $200 billion. Leape used a 14 percent fatality rate to determine a medical error death rate of 180,000 in 1994. (16) In 1997, using Leape's base number of 3 million errors, the annual deaths could be as much as 420,000 for inpatients alone. This does not include nursing home deaths, or people in the outpatient community dying of drug side effects or as the result of medical procedures.
BakedDon
02-03-2007, 03:58 PM
Only a Fraction of Medical Errors are Reported
Leape, in 1994, said that he was well aware that medical errors were not being reported. (16) According to a study in two obstetrical units in the U.K., only about one quarter of the adverse incidents on the units are ever reported for reasons of protecting staff or preserving reputations, or fear of reprisals, including law suits. (24) An analysis by Wald and Shojania found that only 1.5 percent of all adverse events result in an incident report, and only 6 percent of adverse drug events are identified properly.
The authors learned that the American College of Surgeons gives a very broad guess that surgical incident reports routinely capture only 5 percent to 30 percent of adverse events. In one surgical study only 20 percent of surgical complications resulted in discussion at Morbidity and Mortality Rounds.25 From these studies it appears that all the statistics that are gathered may be substantially underestimating the number of adverse drug and medical therapy incidents. It also underscores the fact that our mortality statistics are actually conservative figures.
An article in Psychiatric Times outlines the stakes involved with reporting medical errors. (26) They found that the public is fearful of suffering a fatal medical error, and doctors are afraid they will be sued if they report an error. This brings up the obvious question: who is reporting medical errors? Usually it is the patient or the patient's surviving family. If no one notices the error, it is never reported. Janet Heinrich, an associate director at the U.S. General Accounting Office responsible for health financing and public health issues, testifying before a House subcommittee about medical errors, said that: "The full magnitude of their threat to the American public is unknown." She added, "Gathering valid and useful information about adverse events is extremely difficult."
She acknowledged that the fear of being blamed, and the potential for legal liability, played key roles in the under-reporting of errors. The Psychiatric Times noted that the American Medical Association is strongly opposed to mandatory reporting of medical errors.26 If doctors aren't reporting, what about nurses? In a survey of nurses, they also did not report medical mistakes for fear of retaliation. (27)
Standard medical pharmacology texts admit that relatively few doctors ever report adverse drug reactions to the FDA. (28) The reasons range from not knowing such a reporting system exists to fear of being sued because they prescribed a drug that caused harm. (29)However, it is this tremendously flawed system of voluntary reporting from doctors that we depend on to know whether a drug or a medical intervention is harmful.
Pharmacology texts will also tell doctors how hard it is to separate drug side effects from disease symptoms. Treatment failure is most often attributed to the disease and not the drug or the doctor. Doctors are warned, "Probably nowhere else in professional life are mistakes so easily hidden, even from ourselves." (30) It may be hard to accept, but not difficult to understand, why only one in twenty side effects is reported to either hospital administrators or the FDA. (31,31a)
If hospitals admitted to the actual number of errors and mistakes, which is about 20 times what is reported, they would come under intense scrutiny. (32) Jerry Phillips, associate director of the Office of Post Marketing Drug Risk Assessment at the FDA, confirms this number. "In the broader area of adverse drug reaction data, the 250,000 reports received annually probably represent only 5 percent of the actual reactions that occur." (33) Dr. Jay Cohen, who has extensively researched adverse drug reactions, comments that because only 5 percent of adverse drug reactions are being reported, there are, in reality, 5 million medication reactions each year.(34)
It remains that whatever figure you choose to believe about the side effects from drugs, all the experts agree that you have to multiply that by 20 to get a more accurate estimate of what is really occurring in the burgeoning "field" of iatrogenic medicine.
A 2003 survey is all the more distressing because there seems to be no improvement in error reporting even with all the attention on this topic. Dr. Dorothea Wild surveyed medical residents at a community hospital in Connecticut. She found that only half of the residents were aware that the hospital had a medical error-reporting system, and the vast majority didn't use it at all. Dr. Wild says this does not bode well for the future. If doctors don't learn error reporting in their training, they will never use it. And she adds that error reporting is the first step in finding out where the gaps in the medical system are and fixing them. That first baby step has not even begun. (35)
Public Suggestions on Iatrogenesis
In a telephone survey, 1,207 adults were asked to indicate how effective they thought the following would be in reducing preventable medical errors that resulted in serious harm: (36)
* Giving doctors more time to spend with patients: very effective 78 percent
* Requiring hospitals to develop systems to avoid medical errors: very effective 74 percent
* Better training of health professionals: very effective 73 percent
* Using only doctors specially trained in intensive care medicine on intensive care units: very effective 73 percent
* Requiring hospitals to report all serious medical errors to a state agency: very effective 71 percent
* Increasing the number of hospital nurses: very effective 69 percent
* Reducing the work hours of doctors-in-training to avoid fatigue: very effective 66 percent
* Encouraging hospitals to voluntarily report serious medical errors to a state agency: very effective 62 percent
http://www.ourcivilisation.com/medicine/usamed.htm
jon smith
02-04-2007, 02:29 AM
how the hell do i download files?
jon smith
02-04-2007, 02:30 AM
this site sucks
BakedDon
02-04-2007, 10:55 AM
no it doesnt
do you bit torrent or what are you looking for??
BakedDon
02-04-2007, 10:55 AM
On June 4, 1963, JFK signed Executive Order No. 11110. With this Order JFK was on his way to putting the Federal Reserve Bank of NY out of business. 11110 gave the Treasury the power to issue silver certificates. If enough silver certificates circulated they would have eliminated the demand for Federal Reserve notes. Perhaps JFK's assassination was a warning to future presidents who try to eliminate the U.S. debt by eliminating the Fed's control over the creation of money.
tiremonkey2000
02-05-2007, 06:38 AM
Dam spammers, but i got him.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:27 PM
TODAY'S MYSTERY QUOTE
QUOTE: "Knowledge is power."
HINT: Was an English philosopher, statesman and essayist
but is best known for leading the scientific revolution
with his new 'observation and experimentation' theory
which is the way science has been conducted ever since.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:27 PM
About one-third of all milk produced each year in the
United States is used to make cheese.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:27 PM
it takes about 10 pounds (5 quarts) of milk to make 1
pound of whole milk cheese.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:27 PM
In 2003, a total 8.5 billion pounds of cheese was produced
in the United States.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:27 PM
Natural cheeses are often categorized according to their
moisture or degree of softness or hardness. Soft cheeses
include Brie, Camembert, ricotta and cottage cheese.
Semisoft cheeses include blue, brick, feta, Havarti,
Monterey Jack, mozzarella, Muenster and provolone. Hard
cheeses include Cheddar, Colby, Edam, Gouda and Swiss.
Very hard cheese varieties include Parmesan and Romano.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:27 PM
Consuming certain cheeses—including aged Cheddar, Swiss,
blue, Monterey Jack, Brie, Gouda and processed American
cheese—immediately after meals or as a between-meal
snack has been shown to help prevent tooth decay.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:28 PM
There are more than 200 varieties of cheese produced in
the United States; more than 1,400 varieties are catal-
ogued.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:28 PM
QUOTE: "Knowledge is power."
ANSWER: Francis Bacon
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:28 PM
TODAY'S MYSTERY QUOTE
QUOTE: "What you see before you, my friend, is the
result of a lifetime of chocolate. "
HINT: Was an iconic four-time Academy Award-winning
American star of film, television and stage. She was
widely recognized for her sharp wit.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:28 PM
Dan Reeves, Mike Ditka and Tony Dungy have appeared in
the Super Bowl as a player, assistant coach and head coach.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:29 PM
Jerry Rice has scored the most touchdowns (7) in three
Super Bowls.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:29 PM
No NFL team has ever played the Super Bowl on its own
home field.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:29 PM
As of 2006, the cost of a 30-second commercial on average
is $2.5 million. The first famous Super Bowl commercial
was a 1974 ad for Noxzema featuring Super Bowl legend Joe
Namath.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:29 PM
The Dolphins are the only team that failed to score a
touchdown in a Super Bowl game. Miami scored just three
points in a 21-point loss to Dallas in Super Bowl VI in
New Orleans.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:29 PM
The only team to win back-to-back Super Bowls under
different head coaches are the San Francisco 49ers. They
won Super Bowl XXIII under legendary coach Bill Walsh
and the next year returned to victory under George Seifert.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:29 PM
QUOTE: "What you see before you, my friend, is the
result of a lifetime of chocolate. "
ANSWER: Katharine Hepburn
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:34 PM
QUOTE: "A change in the weather is sufficient to recreate
the world and ourselves."
HINT: Was a French intellectual, novelist, essayist and
critic, best known as the author of In Search of Lost Time.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:35 PM
The Inner Circle is a group of local dignitaries responsible
for carrying on the tradition of Groundhog Day every year.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:35 PM
A baby groundhog is called a kit or a cub.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:35 PM
A groundhog can whistle when it is alarmed. Groundhogs also
whistle in the spring when they begin courting.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:36 PM
In 1981 Punxsutawney Phil wore a yellow ribbon in honor of
the American hostages in Iran.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:36 PM
Since 1886, Phil has seen his shadow 96 times, hasn't
seen it 15 times and there are no records for nine years,
according to the Punxsutawney Groundhog Club. The last
time Phil failed to see his shadow was in 1999.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:36 PM
The average groundhog is 20 inches long and normally weighs
from 12 to 15 pounds. Punxsutawney Phil weighs about 20
pounds and is 22 inches long.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:36 PM
Candlemas Day is observed on February 2nd and is the last
festival in the Christian year that is dated by reference
to Christmas; subsequent holidays are calculated with re-
ference to Easter, so Candlemas marks the end of the
Christmas and Epiphany season.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:36 PM
Groundhog Day was not filmed in Punxsutawney, but actually
in Woodstock, Illinois. There is a small plaque that reads
"Bill Murray stepped here" on the curb where Murray con-
tinually steps into a puddle.
mathmission
02-05-2007, 03:37 PM
QUOTE: "A change in the weather is sufficient to recreate
the world and ourselves."
ANSWER: Marcel Proust
BakedDon
02-05-2007, 07:35 PM
States Take Action To Oppose National Driver's License
AP
Monday, February 5, 2007
WASHINGTON -- A revolt against a national driver's license, begun in Maine last month, is quickly spreading to other states, including Georgia.
The Maine Legislature on Jan. 26 overwhelmingly passed a resolution objecting to the Real I.D. Act of 2005. The federal law sets a national standard for driver's licenses and requires states to link their record-keeping systems to national databases.
Within a week of Maine's action, lawmakers in Georgia, Wyoming, Montana, New Mexico, Vermont and Washington state also balked at Real I.D. They are expected soon to pass laws or adopt resolutions declining to participate in the federal identification network.
Matt Sundeen, a transportation analyst for the National Conference of State Legislatures, says that many state legislators are concerned about privacy issues and the cost of implementing the law.
The law's supporters say it is needed to prevent terrorists and illegal immigrants from getting fake identification cards.
States will have to comply by May 2008. If they do not, driver's licenses that fall short of Real ID's standards cannot be used to board an airplane or enter a federal building or open some bank accounts.
About a dozen states have active legislation against Real I.D., including Arizona, Georgia, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Utah and Wyoming.
BakedDon
02-05-2007, 07:39 PM
Why has A revolt against a national driver's license begun ????
Because they want us to have rfid chips in our national id by 2008
if you dont want a tracker chip in your id by 2008 and your State is not on
this list, I would suggest emailing your representitive with this article and
your feeling on the government having your every move tracked and traced.
BakedDon
02-05-2007, 07:40 PM
http://www.house.gov/writerep/
BakedDon
02-05-2007, 07:51 PM
heres mine as an example /
To The Honorable John D. Dingell
I hope our state will be on this list soon. It's too bad your not a libertarian, but I'm sure your against the Real I.D. Act.
States Take Action To Oppose National Driver's License
AP
Monday, February 5, 2007
WASHINGTON -- A revolt against a national driver's license, begun in Maine last month, is quickly spreading to other states, including Georgia.
The Maine Legislature on Jan. 26 overwhelmingly passed a resolution objecting to the Real I.D. Act of 2005. The federal law sets a national standard for driver's licenses and requires states to link their record-keeping systems to national databases.
Within a week of Maine's action, lawmakers in Georgia, Wyoming, Montana, New Mexico, Vermont and Washington state also balked at Real I.D. They are expected soon to pass laws or adopt resolutions declining to participate in the federal identification network.
Matt Sundeen, a transportation analyst for the National Conference of State Legislatures, says that many state legislators are concerned about privacy issues and the cost of implementing the law.
The law's supporters say it is needed to prevent terrorists and illegal immigrants from getting fake identification cards.
States will have to comply by May 2008. If they do not, driver's licenses that fall short of Real ID's standards cannot be used to board an airplane or enter a federal building or open some bank accounts.
About a dozen states have active legislation against Real I.D., including Arizona, Georgia, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Missouri, New Hampshire, Oklahoma, Utah and Wyoming.
BakedDon
02-05-2007, 07:57 PM
thee Initiative (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiative) process
came about when some people noticed this government was no longer of the people but of the rich.
As soon as a law passed that the Gov didnt like...
Bam no more of that stuff..
Feds kicking in doors and handing out beat downs.
BakedDon
02-05-2007, 08:00 PM
Taking all your goods and locken your butt up
BakedDon
02-05-2007, 08:10 PM
Know thee enemy
We Can't afford to be Neutral on a moving train
BakedDon
02-05-2007, 08:15 PM
Ahhh F it. I'm gonna have my children fitted with thee implantable chip. The one that gives your subconcious suggestions like Be A Good Citizen.
BakedDon
02-05-2007, 08:18 PM
Thier government creds could be wirelessly transferred to the chip via the web of waves beamed at our forehead.
BakedDon
02-06-2007, 09:25 AM
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6517776133137328105&q=the+road+to+tyranny&hl=en
The ROad to Tyranny
ALex Jones
mathmission
02-06-2007, 01:35 PM
QUOTE: "There is nothing stronger in the world than
gentleness."
HINT: She is a Chinese-born author of several books on
modern China, novels set in East Asia, and autobio-
graphical works, as well as a physician.
mathmission
02-06-2007, 01:35 PM
Jerry (Tom & Jerry) has two relatives whom are always clothed,
Muscles his cousin and the other being Uncle Pecos.
mathmission
02-06-2007, 01:35 PM
In 1933 Mickey Mouse is believed to have received 800,000
fan letters.
mathmission
02-06-2007, 01:35 PM
Longest-running cartoon series - 'Popeye'
mathmission
02-06-2007, 01:35 PM
The most syndicated comic strip was Peanuts by Charles Schulz
(USA) appears in 2,620 different news papers in 75 different
countries.
mathmission
02-06-2007, 01:36 PM
The First color cartoon was "The Adventures Of Thomas Cat"
by J.R. Bray in 1917, using the 2 color Baxster process,
the emulsion was printed on both side of the film. The pro-
cess was too expensive and was abandoned.
mathmission
02-06-2007, 01:36 PM
Betty Boop started out in the 1930's as a dog character with-
out a name. Betty's love interest was also a dog character
named Bimbo.
mathmission
02-06-2007, 01:36 PM
QUOTE: "There is nothing stronger in the world than
gentleness."
ANSWER: Suyin Han
BakedDon
02-06-2007, 03:52 PM
Kentucky Teacher Placed In Psych Ward For Declaring 9/11 Was An 'Inside Job'
Michael Cook was also visited by Secret Service and then became subject of Federal charges for speaking out against Bush before a 2006 speech at Northern Kentucky University. Agents also confiscated his weapons, safely kept at his home, even though legally registered.
6 Feb 2007
By Greg Szymanski
Michael Cook has been persecuted and placed in a psychiatric ward simply for saying 9/11 was an inside job and possessing firearms registered legally in Kentucky.
His story is just another in a long line cases where law abiding citizens have been systematically deprived of their due process rights and trampled on by a fascist mindset controlling America.
In a nutshell, Cook's case exemplifies how freedom of speech and the right to possess firearms are being taken away from Americans. His story further shows how a right to a fair is being replaced with psychiatric incarceration based on flimsy and often-times concocted doctor evaluations.
Cook appeared Monday on Greg Szymanski's radio show, The Investigative Journal, on the Republic Broadcasting Network at www.republicbroadcasting.org, telling how simply speaking his mind and exercising his rights under the 1st and 2nd Amendments of the Constitution are now leading to his second stint in a psychiatric ward.
"Right after this interview at 2pm eastern time, I have to surrender to the U.S. Marshall and then taken to a psychiatric facility. Who knows how long it will take, but the last time I was illegally held for 45 days," said Cook who lost his job as a special educator for the Covington Ky., Independent School District after talking 9/11 truth to a school district aide.
Cook's legal troubles began after he shared information to an aide about 9/11 being an inside job as well as telling the aide he legally possessed firearms, including a 45 caliber pistol locked safely away in glove box of his car.
"I have a concealed weapons permit and everything is registered in the state of Kentucky, but that doesn't seem to matter to authorities," added Cook, who has been relegated to working as a carpenter until his incarceration in a psych ward Monday.
Here is rundown of Cook's story in bullet form:
---After Cook talks to school district aide, aide tells head of district who calls Covington Kentucky police.
--- Police arrive at Covington School, confiscate his pistol and take him immediately to the Psychiatric ward at St. Elizabeth's Hospital where he spent 45 days after being evaluated for only minutes, the doctor saying he was paranoid schizophrenic. Cook said the only thing he said to the doctor was that he thought 9/11 to be an inside job.
---Cook was then fired from his teaching position, having his license to teach revoked from in 2006 by the state of Kentucky. Cook is still fighting the revocation but the state has refused to hear any evidence from expert witnesses who promised to testify on his behalf. Cook feels that if was declared mentally ill for saying 9/11 was an inside job, then he should be allowed to proved expert testimony showing his statements were based on the opinions and conclusions of rational men and not based on delusions.
---After taking a carpentry job while fighting the state for his teaching certificate, Cook was then sued in civil court for not paying the $8,500 hospital bill which he is still fighting.
--- Cook tried to fight this case but the judge entered a summary judgment without properly allowing Cook to present his case. When he appealed, it was denied.
---In the early part of 2006, President Bush was scheduled to make a speech at Northern Kentucky University. Cook emailed the University President in the days prior to Bush's speech, saying a 9/11 truth movie should be played to those in attendance before the speech in order to stimulate a truthful discussion. He further stated in an email that Bush should be found guilty of treason by his peers and shot in front of a firing squad.
---Secret Service agents then visited Cook's home prior to the Bush speech and confiscate his legally registered weapons. Cook said he never intended to be violent, but only expressed his concern about Bush's failure to address the truth about 9/11 as well as the illegal war in Iraq.
--On 5/19/06, Cook participates in the Bush protest at Northern Kentucky University although two police cars were assigned to follow and watch him throughout the entire protest.
---Although his firearms were returned after the first altercation with the Secret Service, on 6/20/06 agents returned with a search warrant and confiscated the weapons saying since he was admitted to a psych ward he wasn't allowed to possess any weapons.
---On 8/16/06, Cook was served with a summons and arraigned in federal court on 8/17/06. He received a court appointed attorney for the federal charges listed strangely under The United States of America v. Michael Cook; United States District Court,
Eastern District of Kentucky; Criminal Case No. 06-66-WOB. He says he is not
superstitious, but thinks it is worth noting the case number 666.
---On 02/05/07, he appears on Greg Szymanki's radio show to tell his story at 1pm eastern time. At 2pm eastern time he surrenders to the U.S. Marshall and is taken to another psychiatric ward without being allowed to stand trial.
The following is a more in depth statement about the particulars of his case written by Cook and given to the Arctic Beacon for distribution. Cook also lists his address at the Federal Medical Facility if anyone is interested in following his case and starting a movement to FREE MIKE COOK.
This is a brief history of my legal problems. There are potentially
lucrative lawsuits in the information presented here, and much more in
information not presented here, for attorneys willing to take them on. I
have no criminal record and a very respectable background.
In April of 2005, I shared information on the attacks of 9/11/01 with my
teaching assistant. I was working as a special educator for the Covington, Ky. Independent School District at a state funded residential treatment
center for abused and neglected boys. (I had previous experience with that
population in "wilderness therapy programs or hoods in the woods" and I
was working on a Master's Degree in Special Education at Northern Kentucky
University - NKU.) I had a Kentucky permit to carry a concealed weapon and
was doing so. The reasons for this precaution were very valid and extend
beyond my involvement in the 9/11 Truth Movement. I had been giving my aide,
and sometimes her daughter, a ride home after school and I knew that to
discontinue this would be a considerable inconvenience for her. I was very
willing to continue giving her a ride, but I felt apprehensive that she was
not aware of the circumstance she was in while riding with me so I tried to
inform her somewhat and showed her my pistol to emphasize that I was serious
about this, that this was reality. She 'freaked out' and took this
information to my boss, who took it to the police.
BakedDon
02-06-2007, 03:53 PM
The Covington police came to the classroom the next day before the
students arrived and took me to the psychiatric ward at St. Elizabeth
Hospital. I was compliant and was not arrested or read the Miranda and I was
not charged with any crime. A Kimber pistol that was locked in my car, with
a cable lock on it, was confiscated and never returned. I had the
ammunition locked in my office. This is a standard, officially recommended
and safe procedure, to keep the firearm and the ammunition separate and
locked. At the hospital, Dr. Petit saw me for 30 seconds or less and
diagnosed me as Paranoid Schizophrenic. About all I got to say was, 9/11
was an inside job. This is a true statement and I encourage you to examine
the work of Dr. Steven Jones of BYU and Dr. David Ray Griffin for
confirmation of that fact.
The Petition that went to Campbell County District Court to have me
involuntarily committed was filed by Ms. Linda Lambers. She was a mental
retardation professional and was qualified to assert that I was mentally
retarded, not mentally ill, but that is what she asserted in the legal
document. The petition went through the office of Judge Gregory Popovich. I
think that it is telling that Dr. Petit was not willing to put his name on
the petition, which is how it should have been done.
I spent about 3 weeks in the psych ward. I did whatever was asked of me,
including taking medication, because I figured that it would help me be
released sooner. I spoke freely with mental health professionals whenever I
was asked to. I was released on the grounds that I was not a danger to
myself or others.
I was fired from my teaching job and spent the summer working as a
carpenter. I am a journeyman in the union. I applied for other teaching
positions and was accepted at a 'day treatment' program for the Campbell
County, Ky. School District. Such programs are for adjudicated youth. During
the first day of employment in August of 2005, the agency responsible for
the certification of teachers, the Kentucky Educational Professional
Standards Board (EPSB) suspended my teaching certificate due to the
hospitalization and the Campbell County School District could no longer
employ me. I returned to carpentry.
The EPSB began the legal proceeding to revoke my teaching certificate early
in 2006. This is an administrative hearing conducted by the Ky. Attorney
General's office. During a telephone conference with the hearing officer,
Mr. Thomas Hellmann, and the attorney for the EPSB, Ms. Cynthia Grohmann, I
was given verbal permission to present evidence and call witnesses to
substantiate my claim that the attacks of 9/11/01 were an " inside job." It
seemed logical to me that if I could substantiate my claim, prove that my
assertion was valid, then that would argue against my having a mental
disability and this met no resistance. I contacted Dr. Jim Fetzer, one of
the founders of Scholars for 9/11 Truth, and he contacted other
professionals in the 9/11 truth movement. In short order, I had Dr. Fetzer,
BYU physicist Dr. Steven Jones, commercial pilot and aeronautical engineer
Nila Sagadevan, former Deputy Attorney General of Pennsylvania Philip Berg,
Esq. Colonel George Nelson, USAF (ret.), and Chemist Kevin Ryan ready to
testify.
I submitted this witness list and another pre-hearing telephone conference
was quickly scheduled by Ms. Grohmann. I was then told that evidence
pertaining to 9/11 was not relevant to my case. According to Mr. Hellmann,
"Cook misconstrues the allegations against him and the nature of the proof
that will establish that the charges have no merit. Cook seems to assume
that if the hearing officer finds that there was a government conspiracy
regarding 9/11, he could not find that Cook has a mental incapacity. One
finding has no relationship to the other, however, since one could believe
there was no government involvement in 9/11 and still have a mental
incapacity, just as a person could believe that there was government
involvement in 9/11 and have no mental incapacity. Thus, proof of the
government's involvement in or a conspiracy regarding 9/11 has no direct
relationship to the charges against Cook." In other words, the validity of
what you are saying has no bearing on your rationality. The irony runs deep
here, for I am being accused of being irrational and an irrational argument
is being used to prevent me from submitting evidence that would rationally
support my mental health. While it is true that I could be crazy and correct
about 9/11 at the same time, since I was called crazy for what I was saying
about 9/11, proving the validity of my claims would seem to be a step in the
direction of establishing my rationality, coherence, correct thinking,
sanity, etc.
So, for this case, I thanked the good people who were willing to testify
and told them that, unfortunately, I could not present 9/11 evidence and
focused instead on establishing that I had been doing an excellent job of
teaching.
Another case was begun when St. Elizabeth Hospital began a civil suit in an
effort to get me to pay for my involuntary hospitalization. They only asked
for $760 when the total bill was $8,500. The only reason I can think of for
why they would ask for such a small amount is to keep the case in District
Court. To ask for the full amount would put the matter before the Circuit
Court. My written response to the suit included the true statements "I did
not request or require the services rendered to me. I was not a danger to
myself or anyone else. I was not charged with any crime." At that time, I
still did not know for certain who had filed the petition to have me
hospitalized. I maintained that I should not be required to pay for services
I did not request or require.
The case came before, surprise, Judge Popovich in April 06. At
that time, the petition and other legal papers that put me in the psych ward
could not be found, so it was rescheduled. I promptly found the documents
and eagerly went to the following court date. I had been to the law library
at NKU and researched the statutes pursuant to my case and felt that I had a
pretty reasonable shot at winning this in a trial. I had not obtained legal
counsel because I could not afford it, and I wanted to see if I would get a
trial. No surprise, Judge Popovich entered a summary judgment, with no
motion filed for it by the plaintiff, to the best of my knowledge, or time
for me to answer to such a motion, and I was denied a trial and ordered to
pay. I sought a lawyer and got some minimal help at a maximum price. I filed
a motion identifying the shady legal maneuvers and asking for leave to file
a counter claim. It was subsequently denied and I appealed to the circuit
court and that was denied, with no mention made of the shady legal
maneuvers, naturally.
The current FEDERAL CASE against me began on 5/18/06. President George W.
Bush was coming to town to raise funds and speak at NKU. I hand delivered a
package of 9/11 Truth materials to the President of NKU a week beforehand
with a polite letter requesting an opportunity to speak with the NKU
president and the Board of Regents about this vital matter. I was in favor
of showing a 9/11 Truth movie to the audience before President Bush arrived
or, preferably, while he was there, but I realized his strict schedule might
make that unfeasible. I was calling and emailing the NKU president's office
steadily in the days leading up to President Bush's visit, thinking that he
might require a little encouragement. I made a mistake, a poor choice of
words, in an email on 5/18. What I should have said was something like,
"Eventually, President Bush will be charged with Treason, be found guilty by
a jury of his peers, and be shot by a firing squad." What I did say was,
BakedDon
02-06-2007, 03:54 PM
"Eventually, he will be shot for treason." So, the Secret Service came to
see me. We chatted politely and I was cooperative. They were surprised that
I was surprised to see them. It really was an honest mistake and I explained
fully. To be on the safe side, they confiscated my firearms, 1 .22 pistol
and 2 .22 rifles, 3 shot guns, one 9mm pistol- no assault weapons or
anything - and gave them to my local police. The agents were polite and
reasonable and would not take any 9/11 Truth materials but one of them did
write down the titles of Dr. David Ray Griffin's books.
W showed up on 5/19 and I participated in the protest at NKU without any
problems, though I did have 2 police cars follow me out as I drove away. I
waited until 5/24 to go to my local police who promptly gave me my firearms
back and very reluctantly accepted some 9/11 Truth materials. All I had to
do was sign release forms for the firearms. (My concealed carry permit had
of course been revoked after I was taken to the psych ward. I plan to try to
get it back but have been too busy with other legal matters to pursue it. I
did take the initial steps in that direction and have been informed that I
have 9 years ((8.5 now)) to make an attempt. I am grateful for that generous
time span in particular and Kentucky's intelligent firearm legislation in
general. I had replaced the vacancy of my pistol in my fanny pack with DVDs
and flyers containing 9/11 Truth, which are actually MUCH more dangerous, so
I still felt safe.)
I was promptly contacted again by the Secret Service. The agent said that
he wanted to help me get my guns back. I told him that I already had them
back. He then told me that he didn't think I was supposed to have them
because I had been to the psych ward. I did not ask the obvious questions of
why he was about to help me get them back if I wasn't supposed to have them,
or how the Secret Service is not aware of a mundane matter such as this if
it wants to be informed, but merely said, and continued to say for some time
whenever contact was made, that if I was shown a legal document saying that
I could not have firearms that I would immediately surrender them, or
preferably give them to my brother. Some of the firearms belonged to him and
my nephews and I was merely looking after them. No such documentation was
ever produced. On 6/20/06, the Secret Service served a search warrant issued
by virtue of a sealed affidavit filed by the agent I had been dealing with
and confiscated my firearms again. This time they held on to them. I
promptly issued a 'yelp' to my community of 9/11 Truth Activists via the
web. This situation was responded to in a very humorous fashion by Dr. Kevin
Barrett that can be found here: http://mujca.com/secretservice.htm
So, I continued to work and play and wonder what might happen. I was
presented a summons on 8/16/06 by an excellent U.S. Marshal and was
arraigned on 8/17/06 and received a court appointed lawyer. The case is: The
United States of America v. Michael Cook; United States District Court,
Eastern District of Kentucky; Criminal Case No. 06-66-WOB. (I am not
superstitious, but I think it is worth noting the case number, 666.) I stand
accused of a felony weapons violation which carries a maximum of 10 years
and $250,000. Again, I have no criminal record at all and a reasonably
fine, upstanding background. I was less than enthusiastic about this
lawyer's performance and fired him, following the advice of a 9/11 Truth
aware lawyer I was connected with thanks to Dr. Jim Fetzer, just prior to a
pretrial hearing on 10/6/06. This lawyer very promptly contacted me and I
allowed him to remain in my service. (I will spare you the details. What he
had to say sounded reasonable and was substantiated by subsequent
examination on my part. I also understand, and have considerable empathy
for, anyone who has difficulty coming to grips with the reality of 9/11,
which remains relevant to this case regardless of any irrational arguments
to the contrary that may be made.)
At the pretrial hearing on 10/6/06, my lawyer filed a motion for me to be
evaluated for mental competency to stand trial. It is my understanding that
any reasonable lawyer would want to take this step, and could actually be
considered negligent if they did not, give the circumstances. The order was
filed on 10/11/06 and I was notified by the U.S. Marshals on 10/26/06 that I
am to surrender myself to the Federal Medical Center, 3301 Leestown Rd. Lexington, Ky. 40511-8702 (859-255-6812) today, 11/1/06. I do, of course,
intend to comply.
If all goes well, I hope to have a trial soon. I hope to present evidence
of official complicity in the attacks of 9/11/01 at this trial.
I spent 45 days at FMC and was evaluated for about 12 hours during that
time. The evaluation report was due on 1/15/07 and it said that I am not
competent to stand trial. Ricky Ray Rector, who wanted to save his dessert
for after the execution, was competent to stand trial, but I am not.
On 1/19/07 I learned that the prosecutor has filed a motion for me to be
restored to competency. A hearing date has not yet been set.
On 1/30 I learned that there will be no hearing. The judge has issued the
order granting the prosecution's request and I will self surrender, again,
to the U.S. Marshals for transportation to the Federal Medical Center (FMC-
Free Mike Cook ?) by 2:00 on Monday 2/5/07. (Last time, I paid my cab fare
and bus fare. This time, the feds can pay for it.) The law
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?title=18&sec=4241
Allows for 4 months, with periodic hearings. I just learned yesterday that
extensions can be filed for and would most likely be granted but I don' t yet
know how long those extensions could extend my stay. After 4 months, if I
have still not been "restored to competency ", the sensible thing to do would
be to dismiss the case. The absurd thing to do, in this absurd world we
inhabit, would be to go to the next law
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/ts_search.pl?title=18&sec=4246
and try to have me committed for life. Yes, you heard right, life in
'prison' (call it a hospital if you want, you're still locked up) without a
trial. IF I get to that point, and I certainly hope that I don't, I will
just have to hope and pray that the cavalry comes.
Best case scenario, I am found competent in short order and get a fair trial
where I can present relevant evidence, i.e. the WHY and HOW I was placed in
the psych ward at the very least, evidence that 9/11 was an inside job at
the very best.
Second best scenario, they keep me and F with me as long and as much as they
can and the case is dismissed.
Third scenario, I'll need a rescue. What did Alanis Morriset say? 'The fire
trucks are coming up around the bend.'
Inshalla, Good Lord willing and the creek don't rise, I won't get to that
point.
ThumperZ1
02-06-2007, 06:59 PM
Gee, and to think, the government wants us to give up more of our rights.... hmmmm.
ThumperZ1
02-06-2007, 06:59 PM
It is sooooooooooooo cold here. 2 above tonight... after a daily high of 12. whoohoo!
ThumperZ1
02-06-2007, 07:00 PM
mathmission.... today's trivial stuff was exceptionally interesting. Thanx!
ThumperZ1
02-06-2007, 07:02 PM
Time to update my Grid.org stats as of post 21073.
New:
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ThumperZ1
02-06-2007, 07:04 PM
hmmmm... no tunes going.... my mind must be a zero....
tiremonkey2000
02-06-2007, 10:05 PM
WinAmp is now playing
Saliva - Click Click Boom
tiremonkey2000
02-06-2007, 10:15 PM
Counting Crows - A Long December
tiremonkey2000
02-06-2007, 10:24 PM
Oleander - Why i'm Here
tiremonkey2000
02-06-2007, 10:30 PM
Social Distortion - Gotta Know the Rules
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:27 AM
Brace yourselves good people of New York, mother government is prepared to step in (again) and save you from yourselves. Senator Carl Kruger is reportedly set to introduce legislation that would ban the use of MP3 players, cellphones, and any other electronic device while crossing the street in New York City or other "big cities" in the state. The proposed ban follows two recent pedestrian deaths in Kruger's district where at least one is said to be the result of a person "listening to his iPod." We just gotta wonder: if police can't enforce jaywalking laws in NYC, how could they possibly enforce this?
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:28 AM
Political Power and the Rule of Law
by Ron Paul
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:28 AM
Hi all, just popping in to post a few
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:28 AM
Just got back from London yesterday
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:28 AM
With the elections over and the 110th Congress settling in, the media have been reporting ad nauseam about who has assumed new political power in Washington. We're subjected to breathless reports about emerging power brokers in Congress; how so-and-so is now the powerful chair of an important committee; how certain candidates are amassing power for the 2008 elections, and so on. Nobody questions this use of the word "power," or considers its connotations. It's simply assumed, in Washington and the mainstream media, that political power is proper and inevitable.
The problem is that politicians are not supposed to have power over us – we're supposed to be free. We seem to have forgotten that freedom means the absence of government coercion. So when politicians and the media celebrate political power, they really are celebrating the power of certain individuals to use coercive state force.
Remember that one's relationship with the state is never voluntary. Every government edict, policy, regulation, court decision, and law ultimately is backed up by force, in the form of police, guns, and jails. That is why political power must be fiercely constrained by the American people.
The desire for power over other human beings is not something to celebrate, but something to condemn! The 20th century's worst tyrants were political figures, men who fanatically sought power over others through the apparatus of the state. They wielded that power absolutely, without regard for the rule of law.
Our constitutional system, by contrast, was designed to restrain political power and place limits on the size and scope of government. It is this system, the rule of law, which we should celebrate – not political victories.
Political power is not like the power possessed by those who otherwise obtain fame and fortune. After all, even the wealthiest individual cannot force anyone to buy a particular good or service; even the most famous celebrities cannot force anyone to pay attention to them. It is only when elites become politically connected that they begin to impose their views on all of us.
In a free society, government is restrained – and therefore political power is less important. I believe the proper role for government in America is to provide national defense, a court system for civil disputes, a criminal justice system for acts of force and fraud, and little else. In other words, the state as referee rather than an active participant in our society.
Those who hold political power, however, would lose their status in a society with truly limited government. It simply would not matter much who occupied various political posts, since their ability to tax, spend, and regulate would be severely curtailed. This is why champions of political power promote an activist government that involves itself in every area of our lives from cradle to grave. They gain popular support by promising voters that government will take care of everyone, while the media shower them with praise for their bold vision.
Political power is inherently dangerous in a free society: it threatens the rule of law, and thus threatens our fundamental freedoms. Those who understand this should object whenever political power is glorified.
February 6, 2007
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:29 AM
I will be back online for the next while and will be popping in daily as usual
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:29 AM
Hi BakedDon
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:30 AM
How's it hangin'?
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:36 AM
Iran: Giant achievements coming soon
Ahmadinejad: On February 11, Islamic Republic's nuclear rights 'will be established'
Yaakov Lappin
Published: 02.04.07, 17:13
"Giant achievements" by Iran will be unveiled by its president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, in the coming days, the Iranian Fars news agency reported on Saturday.
The Iranian news agency said an upcoming dramatic announcement on Iran's nuclear "rights" would be made on February 11. The report was accompanied by a series of announcements heralding alleged Iranian technological and medical breakthroughs, including an "AIDS cure."
Ahmadinejad's "administration is going to publicize the country's remarkable progresses and achievements within the coming days," the Fars news agency said.
"The Iranian president also reiterated that February 11 is the day when the Iranian nation's inalienable right to access and use nuclear technology will be established," the agency added.
"The Iranian nation will celebrate stabilization and establishment of its nuclear rights during the Ten-Day Dawn, (sic)" Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying. The "ten-day dawn" in early February marks the date of the Islamic revolution in Iran in 1979.
"When a nation decides to stand on its own feet to climb up the peaks, God helps it and that nation will embrace victory," Ahmadinejad said.
The Iranian government's boasts of "great achievements" included an announcement on Saturday that Iranian scientists have "introduced an AIDS cure".
"After seven long years of arduous work, Iranian scientists here on Saturday introduced a herbal medicine which cures Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS)," Fars reported.
"The drug named 'IMOD' is completely effective and safe with no proven side effects," Iran's Minister of Health Kamran Bagheri Lankarani claimed during a ceremony.
"The world should know today that the capable Iranian nation, relying on its own youths and scientists, has now conquered the peaks of knowledge and science," Ahmadinejad declared during his speech.
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:37 AM
Hey Riscy
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:37 AM
A little to the left
How are you???
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:38 AM
Sounds like Iran is doing anything it can to draw attention to the NWO on its shores.
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:41 AM
Not too bad, BD
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:41 AM
Who Watches The Watchers In Surveillance Society?
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:42 AM
Missed out on the news - all I heard in UK was the bird flu problem
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:42 AM
Saw that title about the Watchers, BD
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:43 AM
By Reuters
InformationWeek Sun Feb 4, 9:08 PM ET
CHICAGO - In some cities in Europe and the United States, a person can be videotaped by surveillance cameras hundreds of times a day, and it's safe to say that most of the time no one is actually watching.
But the advent of "intelligent video" -- software that raises the alarm if something on camera appears amiss -- means Big Brother will soon be able to keep a more constant watch, a prospect that is sure to heighten privacy concerns.
Combining motion detection technology with the learning capabilities of video game software, these new systems can detect people loitering, walking in circles or leaving a package.
New microphone technology can isolate the sound of a gunshot and direct the attached camera to swivel and zoom in on the source. Sensitivity may reach the point where microphones could pick out the word "explosives" spoken in a crowd.
"There's just not enough personnel to watch every single camera," said Chicago emergency operations chief Andrew Velasquez. "We are piloting analytic software right now ... where you can set that particular camera to watch for erratic behavior, or someone leaving a suitcase on the sidewalk."
Since the attacks on the United States of Sept. 11, 2001, sections of New York, Washington, Los Angeles, Chicago and even a few smaller U.S. towns have been blanketed with closed-circuit cameras. Privately owned cameras are also proliferating.
The encroachment on privacy in what civil libertarians call a "surveillance society" may be a price willingly paid by citizens who fear terrorism and crime.
But ever-alert software capable of maintaining a continuous "watch" on security cameras multiplies the risks of harassing innocent people, privacy experts say.
"I don't buy it. The number of false positives are going to be astronomical," said David Holtzman, author of "Privacy Lost." "It's extremely dangerous to abrogate legitimate law enforcement authority ... to a camera."
In Chicago's darkened, windowless surveillance center, Velasquez looks forward to using new technology, which has had some success elsewhere.
The port of Jacksonville, Florida, has dispensed with human monitoring of cameras altogether by sending alerts and live video to the personal digital assistant of the nearest officer on patrol, according to a spokesman for ObjectView Inc.
ObjectView is one of two dozen companies seeking to perfect so-called intelligent video -- an industry whose sales will grow from $60 million to $400 million within five years, according to global consulting group Frost & Sullivan.
Meanwhile, Texas is evaluating a pilot program in which it allowed Internet access to video of unmanned sections of its border with Mexico and urged viewers to send an e-mail if they spotted something.
"The cameras don't replace police officers. They are in essence a force multiplier. They serve as an extra set of eyes," Velasquez said.
The Chicago center is manned 24 hours a day by veteran police officers. A dozen screens depict a few street corners and a stadium, while others are tuned to cable news or Web sites.
They can retrieve video from thousands of cameras and their universe is expanded by private cameras owned by cooperating buildings and stores, but they can monitor only a few at a time.
Velasquez said his officers receive training on privacy and constitutional rights -- for example it is illegal to look into private homes and offices -- and digital recordings hold his officers accountable and prevent abuses that have occurred elsewhere.
In Britain, which has 4.2 million government security cameras, 2 million in London alone, a study showed that male surveillance workers sometimes ogled women on their screens, while others focused on minorities excessively.
But privacy experts also note another British study, from 2002, which said surveillance cameras did not lower overall crime rates, and mereley pushes crime elsewhere.
"Cameras are great tools for solving crime. They're not really that helpful in preventing crime," said Ed Yohnka of the
American Civil Liberties Union.
Velasquez disputed the conclusion that cameras don't prevent crime, saying he constantly fields requests from residents asking for a camera to make their neighborhood safer.
He said cameras contributed to a drop in violent crime in the city of Chicago in recent years, a drop that is widely attributed to improved police work in countering gangs and street-corner drug dealing. At the same time, gang activity has surged in some Chicago suburbs.
The city's prosecutors said they rarely use video evidence in court from the cameras, which are encased in bulletproof boxes topped by blue flashing lights and are a common sight in crime-ridden neighborhoods.
Downtown, the cameras are less obtrusive, though a pair mounted on a park fountain was removed after an outcry that they defiled the art.
Holtzman, the privacy expert, wondered where the line will be drawn if authorities opt to use the cameras to spy on suspects or to sniff out low-level crimes.
There are no legal barriers to video being subpoenaed by, for instance, a divorce lawyer seeking evidence of infidelity, he said.
"I think there's a certain amount of freedom you want to give people that live in the city to kind of screw up a little bit," he said.
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:43 AM
Bring on the cameras I say - information overload - the system can't deal with it!!
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:43 AM
Missed out on the news - all I heard in UK was the bird flu problem
Scare or problem???
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:44 AM
How was your trip???
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:44 AM
It is a bit like the x-ray at airports - there is a human in charge ultimately and people are human
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:44 AM
scare I think
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:45 AM
Very little danger of infection to humans but hysteria sets in - 160,000 turkeys slaughtered on a farm.
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:45 AM
Bring on the cameras I say - information overload - the system can't deal with it!!
I heard in London with the talking cameras things are getting stranger...
The more cameras go up the more people act like stars..
Or criminals.
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:46 AM
The media loves a crisis, and will invent one if they don't have one to give news about
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:46 AM
U.S. Set to Begin a Vast Expansion of DNA Sampling
By JULIA PRESTON
Published: February 5, 2007
The Justice Department is completing rules to allow the collection of DNA from most people arrested or detained by federal authorities, a vast expansion of DNA gathering that will include hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants, by far the largest group affected.
The new forensic DNA sampling was authorized by Congress in a little-noticed amendment to a January 2006 renewal of the Violence Against Women Act, which provides protections and assistance for victims of sexual crimes. The amendment permits DNA collecting from anyone under criminal arrest by federal authorities, and also from illegal immigrants detained by federal agents.
Over the last year, the Justice Department has been conducting an internal review and consulting with other agencies to prepare regulations to carry out the law.
The goal, justice officials said, is to make the practice of DNA sampling as routine as fingerprinting for anyone detained by federal agents, including illegal immigrants. Until now, federal authorities have taken DNA samples only from convicted felons.
The law has strong support from crime victims’ organizations and some women’s groups, who say it will help law enforcement identify sexual predators and also detect dangerous criminals among illegal immigrants.
“Obviously, the bigger the DNA database, the better,” said Lynn Parrish, the spokeswoman for the Rape, Abuse and Incest National Network, based in Washington. “If this had been implemented years ago, it could have prevented many crimes. Rapists are generalists. They don’t just rape, they also murder.”
Peter Neufeld, a lawyer who is a co-director of the Innocence Project, which has exonerated dozens of prison inmates using DNA evidence, said the government was overreaching by seeking to apply DNA sampling as universally as fingerprinting.
“Whereas fingerprints merely identify the person who left them,” Mr. Neufeld said, “DNA profiles have the potential to reveal our physical diseases and mental disorders. It becomes intrusive when the government begins to mine our most intimate matters.”
Immigration lawyers said they did not learn of the measure when it passed last year and were dismayed by its sweeping scope.
“This has taken us by storm,” said Deborah Notkin, a lawyer who was president of the American Immigration Lawyers Association last year. “It’s so broad, it’s scary. It is a terrible thing to do because people are sometimes detained erroneously in the immigration system.”
Immigration lawyers noted that most immigration violations, including those committed when people enter the country illegally, are civil, not criminal, offenses. They warned that the new law would make it difficult for immigrants to remove their DNA profiles from the federal database, even if they were never found to have committed any serious violation or crime.
Under the new law, DNA samples would be taken from any illegal immigrants who are detained and would normally be fingerprinted, justice officials said. Last year federal customs, Border Patrol and immigration agents detained more than 1.2 million immigrants, the majority of them at the border with Mexico. About 238,000 of those immigrants were detained in immigration enforcement investigations. A great majority of all immigration detainees were fingerprinted, immigration officials said. About 102,000 people were arrested on federal charges not related to immigration in 2005.
While the proposed rules have not been finished, justice officials said they were certain to bring a huge new workload for the F.B.I. laboratory that logs, analyzes and stores federal DNA samples. Federal Bureau of Investigation officials said they anticipated an increase ranging from 250,000 to as many as 1 million samples a year.
The laboratory currently receives about 96,000 samples a year, said Robert Fram, chief of the agency’s Scientific Analysis Section.
DNA would not be taken from legal immigrants who are stopped briefly by the authorities, justice officials said, or from legal residents who are detained on noncriminal immigration violations.
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:47 AM
Agreed, I was there a few days ago, so this image of a weird guy cruising around will have them scratching their heads if not their butts as they wonder who I amI heard in London with the talking cameras things are getting stranger...
The more cameras go up the more people act like stars..
Or criminals.
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:48 AM
The media loves a crisis, and will invent one if they don't have one to give news about
I heard ex secretary RUmmy sits on the board of the company that makes the bird flu vaccine. He was intrumental in the scare campaign in America.
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:49 AM
The next big step is face recognition, but that is hard to devise software for. Also you need a database for it to work.
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:49 AM
They kept talking about the vaccines etc -all BS IMHO.I heard ex secretary RUmmy sits on the board of the company that makes the bird flu vaccine. He was intrumental in the scare campaign in America.
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:50 AM
It is a bit like the x-ray at airports - there is a human in charge ultimately and people are human
I heard about a new machine that you step into and it hits you with compressed air and some is vacumed out and tested for drug residue.
The x ray machine you speak of uses radio waves to take a clearer image of your naked body than thee eye sees. Then it stores that image of your naked body in a data base. WTF mate.
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:52 AM
The next big step is face recognition, but that is hard to devise software for. Also you need a database for it to work.
They had it at the SuperBowl last year here in Detroit...
Soon it will be everywhere..
I thinks those can be foiled by a pair of sunglasses..
I know they can be foiled by a pair of those glasses with the fake nose connected.
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:54 AM
Or a hat works too - hence the ban on hoodies :)
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:55 AM
Secret Rulers Of The World Ruby Ridge 1-3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_mYiZcwSHg
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:56 AM
Or a hat works too - hence the ban on hoodies :)
ban on hoodies
so we cant protect ourselves from UV rays
F
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:56 AM
Have you ever heard the story of Ruby Ridge...
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:57 AM
It is a fascinating topic, but airports are the places they are testing this stuff out.
However as I said you need a database to cross reference, hence the paranioa and willingness to give up info by the average Joe
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:57 AM
Randy Weaver
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_mYiZcwSHg
riscy
02-07-2007, 11:58 AM
D'ld ing that now
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:58 AM
Randy and Vicki Weaver lived in Idaho during the mid-to-late 1980s. Randy had served in the Army as a Green Beret at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, during the Vietnam war eventually being promoted to sergeant, and Vicki worked for the United Way.
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 11:59 AM
Starting in 1978, Vicki allegedly began having "visions" of a mountain-top home where she and her family would be safely buffered from the end of the world. Eventually this vision was solidified by Randy's teachings. They spent $5,000 to purchase a 20-acre parcel in Idaho and began raising their children in what they believed to be an environment away from the public school system.
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 12:00 PM
Agents of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) had been trying to infiltrate a group of fellas he knew. They tried to make him an informant... He refused to be a snitch for the NWO.
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 12:02 PM
At the 1986 World Congress a biker named Gus Magisono befriended Randy Weaver. In actuality, Magisono was undercover ATF informant Kenneth Faderley. Gus asked Randy to sell him some sawed-off shotguns. Initially, Randy refused. Magisono persisted. Randy argued that he could not afford to purchase the shotguns. Magisono finally agreed to provide the shotguns, along with instructions regarding the length he wanted. Magisono then "purchased" the guns back from Weaver, insuring that Weaver had then violated federal weapons laws. According to Magisono, the guns were sawed off 3/8th inch shorter than the legal minimum. Weaver denies cutting the barrels to below the legal length, insisting that Magisono further shortened the barrels to below the minimum legal overall length of 18 inches after "purchase" to create a violation.
The ATF confronted Weaver in June 1990, offering to dismiss the weapons charges in exchange for Randy's infiltration and information against the Aryan Nations organization. Randy refused, and subsequently notified the local Aryan Nations members of the offer and his refusal.
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 12:02 PM
Now dont get me wrong the Aryan nation are a bunch of idiots.
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 12:04 PM
But here in AMerica everyone has rights
"When even one American, who has done nothing wrong, is forced by fear to shut his mind and close his mouth, then all Americans are in peril." - Harry S. Truman
riscy
02-07-2007, 12:04 PM
No argument with that here, BDNow dont get me wrong the Aryan nation are a bunch of idiots.
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 12:04 PM
So after this the undercovers were watching Randy all the time
riscy
02-07-2007, 12:05 PM
gtg BD - great chatting to you - catch you soon.
tiremonkey2000
02-07-2007, 12:12 PM
Just popped in for a quick hello, now back to work.
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 12:15 PM
In full camo on his land...
eventually Randys dogs caught a scent of an agent and began to chase him.
Randys son chased the dog..
After a few the agents were done running from the dog.
They turned around and shot the dog in front of the kid.
((if they would of identified themselves as agents and told the kid to stop his dog I would think it would of all worked out.))
Randy and the rest of the family could see it all from his hill. Randy was screaming for his son and dog to come back.
BUt when the kid saw his dog get shot running in circles yelping and two unidentified peoples with guns the ten year old branished his hunting rifle and returned fire on the agents. The agents had automatic rifles. They shot until the ten year olds left arm was almost completely sawed off and he dropped his weapon. At which time the boy yelled I'm commen home dad and turned around running up the hill. The officers shot him in the back. Then jumped in thier vehicle and ran over the dead dog speeding off. Later an army surrounded the hill...
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 12:16 PM
gtg BD - great chatting to you - catch you soon.
peace and piece
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 12:18 PM
FBI AFT Local police Snipers and protesters all surrounded Randies hill
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 12:21 PM
eventually Randy and His Wife came out Randy with his rifle
and Vicki Weaver with her baby in her arms.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=secret+rulers+ruby&search=Search
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 12:21 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLLwm3sadXQ
NWO - The Secret Rulers of the World - The Legend(1of6)
BakedDon
02-07-2007, 12:22 PM
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=secret+rulers+ruby+lege