1,000,000 post thread

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Surface hoar: the deposition (sublimation) of ice
crystals on a surface which occurs when the
temperature of the surface is colder than the air
above and colder than the frost point of that air.

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Anatomy of an avalanche:

An avalanche has three main parts. The starting zone
is the most volatile area of a slope, where unstable
snow can fracture from the surrounding snowcover and
begin to slide.
The avalanche track is the path or channel that an
avalanche follows as it goes downhill.
The runout zone is where the snow and debris finally
come to a stop.

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The greatest snowfall officially reported at the
Phoenix, Arizona National Weather Service Office was
one inch. That occurred twice. The first time was
January 20, 1933. It happened again four years later
on the same date.

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Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs:

In the original Brothers Grimm fairy tale, the dwarfs
are indistinct, interchangeable characters. For
Disney's version, more than 50 names and personalities
were thought up -- including Tubby, Burpy, and
Biggy-Wiggy -- before the final Seven Dwarf names were
chosen.

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QUOTE:"If but a dozen French Were there in arms, they
would be as a call To train ten thousand English to
their side, Or as a little snow, tumbled about, Anon
becomes a mountain."

ANSWER: William Shakespeare, The Life and Death of
King John (Pandulph at III, iv)

[riscy]

With that clue it has to be Shakey !TODAY'S MYSTERY QUOTE

QUOTE: "If but a dozen French Were there in arms, they
would be as a call To train ten thousand English to
their side, Or as a little snow, tumbled about, Anon
becomes a mountain."

HINT: Was an English poet and playwright widely
regarded as the greatest writer of the English
language,[2] and the world's preeminent dramatist

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Well of course. Plus, I'd figure you'd be able to get that one!

[riscy]

Why thank you MM - I had an idea from the quote anyway - very Shakespearean sounding

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Indeed. Lunch time for me. Take it easy, my friend!

[BakedDon]

Hi BD - check out this post : The ABCs of Anarchism (a song, the lyrics of)

http://www.unitethecows.com/forums/showthread.php?p=102520#post102520

Thank you Riscy

another hit to me

have you heard Ministry Lies Lies Lies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTC8pqso4PI)

[BakedDon]

You are being Watched

[BakedDon]

Gentlemen we have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government
Do you still think that jet fuel brought down the World Trade Center?
(Laughter)
Does anybody else see a problem here?
If the government has nothing to hide why are they so afraid to answer a few questions?
This story does not add up

We're on a mission to never forget
3,000 people that I’ve never met
We want some answers and all that we get
Some kind of sh#t about a terrorist threat
Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies X3
Surpise surprise

Lies Lies

We're on a mission to dig up the truth
You think we’re stupid and there’s no proof
Well let me tell you that the time has come
To pull the trigger on the smoking gun
Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies X3
Surpise surprise

Lies Lies Lies Lies

Don’t listen to me listen to your head
Don’t listen
Don’t listen to anything, they’ve said
Don’t listen

Lies Lies Lies Lies

America has been hijacked
Not by Al Qaeda, not by Bin Laden
But by a group of tyrants
That should be of great concern to all Americans

We're on a mission to bring out the facts
You got your stories but they all have cracks
Misinformation, lies and deceit
What made you think that we were all asleep
Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies X3
Surpise surprise

Lies Lies Lies Lies

Don’t listen to me listen to your head
Don’t listen
Don’t listen to anything, they’ve said
Don’t listen

Lies Lies Lies Lies

Don’t listen to me listen to your head

[riscy]

No BD,

don't know this one - will check it out. I know of Ministry, but not this track, ta. Check out some free mp3s at http://www.chumba.com - an anarchist band - some great tracks there! :)Thank you Riscy

another hit to me

have you heard Ministry Lies Lies Lies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTC8pqso4PI)

[riscy]

Very cool song, BD - I haven't been into thrash metal for ages, maybe I need to give it a listen again.

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Hello Riscy! Hope all is well

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Just another usual day here in the pasture

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TODAY'S MYSTERY QUOTE

QUOTE: "Increase of material comforts, it may be generally
laid down, does not in any way whatsoever conduce to moral
growth."

HINT: Was a major political and spiritual leader of India
and the Indian independence movement.

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In 2002, 90,992 plastic surgery procedures were performed
in the United States.

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Slahoopal is Wilma Flintstone's maiden name.

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By the time tea was introduced in Europe, it had already
been drunk in China for nearly 4,600 years.

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The U.S. Table Tennis Association wanted to call its
sport Ping-Pong, but Parker Brothers already owned the
rights to the name.

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The record for underground living goes to a species of
chemolithotrophic bacteria, found in basalt deposits 4,700
feet underground in solid volcanic rock. Scientists in
search of oil discovered it while analyzing drill core
samples.

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While in high school, future Microsoft moguls Bill Gates
and Paul Allen hatched a business called Traff-o-Data in
order to secure free competer time.

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QUOTE: "Increase of material comforts, it may be generally
laid down, does not in any way whatsoever conduce to moral
growth."

ANSWER: Mahatma Gandhi

[riscy]

Mahatma Gandhi

TODAY'S MYSTERY QUOTE

QUOTE: "Increase of material comforts, it may be generally
laid down, does not in any way whatsoever conduce to moral
growth."

HINT: Was a major political and spiritual leader of India
and the Indian independence movement.

[riscy]

I posted this before seeing your answer - honest

[riscy]

How is work MM?

[riscy]

I am absolutely exhausted today

[riscy]

I had a very hectic day

[riscy]

I don't think I will stick around for very long

[riscy]

It is only 7.30pm but I am struggling to stay awake

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How is work MM?
Oh, it's ok so far. I have a lot of research that I need to do for that theater idea, and it's somewhat hard to do while at work...

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yeah, I went to bed early last night as well.

[riscy]

Well, maybe an alcohol fix will perk me up

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brb, need to make some phone calls.

[riscy]

Time for a December break I think

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:cheers: I agree my friend!

[riscy]

I might try to force myself to post another 40 or so - will check for any news worth posting, brb

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Come on Riscy, you're almost at 4K!

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*Hires 30 twenty-two year old chearleaders to chear Riscy's post count*

[riscy]

Just a little push and we should be through (as the ...)

[riscy]

Ok I will finish it tonight

[riscy]

Just to keep you happy MM

[riscy]

I have been doing quite a bit of other stuff, didn't even notice the post count

[riscy]

Just chatting to a friend in Belgium - trying to sort out the website for her

[riscy]

I will PM you the link when the site is ready

[riscy]

Not many more to go !

[riscy]

It is getting quite lively around the pastures now

[riscy]

A few new udders

[riscy]

Well, I am looking forward to the Xmas break already

[riscy]

I am so going to catch up on sleep

[riscy]

Getting up at 5.45am kills me!

[riscy]

I am a night owl, not an early bird!

[riscy]

Ten more to go!!

[riscy]

Ok, nearly there

[riscy]

Just a shame that MM is not here :(

[riscy]

Going to wait for my good bud MM to join me before the 4000th post

[riscy]

I will post a few more and then hang fire

[riscy]

and see if he returns soon

[riscy]

So close, I can taste it!

[riscy]

(as the ...)

[riscy]

Out of here - see you later, MM

[riscy]

Well, here it is - 4,000 posts

[riscy]

Cheers all

:cheers:

[riscy]

Next stop 5,000!

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Congrats Riscy!!!!!!

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I hope to be around for the 5000

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Sorry that I was gone; been dealing with some things from work.

[riscy]

No probs, but miss the 5,000th and I'll break your legs :)

[riscy]

Hope everything is ok at work

[riscy]

I am just off to bed - see you soon

[BakedDon]

David Lynch Speaks out on 9/11: There are many questions, no answers (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8175484657963455824&sourceid=docidfeed&hl=en)

Aaron Dykes / Jones Report | December 6, 2006
Legendary film director David Lynch , who created the "Twin Peaks" TV series and has made such unique and thoughtful films as Blue Velvet , Eraserhead and Mulholland Dr. , has spoken out about 9/11 questions on a Dutch TV program, "Wereldgasten" on VPRO.

Lynch brings up that the hole at the Pentagon is not big enough for a plane, while there is little or no damage to the lawn. Furthermore, he points out that released videos do not show a plane hitting the Pentagon.

He goes on to briefly highlight the questions regarding the three unexplained demolition-style collapses of the World Trade Center Buildings.

"And two of them were hit by a plane, but the third one, they said 'you want us to pull it' and they pulled it, and it looked just like the other two. Those things bother me." Lynch said.

He is also bothered by the hole in the ground in Pennsylvania.

"So every place, there's questions. You don't have to believe everything in the documentary to still have questions"

"It's an event that has many questions and no answers." Lynch told Dutch TV.

When asked if the U.S. government did this, he responded, "It's too big for people to think about. It's too big. It's-- you know-- something no one wants to think about."

[BakedDon]

Actor James Brolin Latest Celebrity To Publicly Doubt 9/11
Follows in footsteps of David Lynch on same day

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Wednesday, December 6, 2006

Actor James Brolin, the husband of Barbara Streisand, has today become the latest celebrity figure to publicly question the official story behind 9/11, after he encouraged viewers of a top rated ABC talk show to check out a 9/11 truth website.

Brolin appeared as a guest on The View Wednesday morning and according to e mails we have been receiving in numbers, towards the end of the show the actor questioned 9/11 and urged the audience to check out the website 911weknow.com, which is a website that purports to expose how the twin towers and Building 7, which wasn't hit by a plane, were brought down via controlled demolition.

We have received multiple reports that The View, which airs live from the West Coast in Pacific and Mountain time zones, was pre-empted by breaking news of the study group on Iraq in Eastern and Central time zones.

Brolin's lengthy cinema and TV history includes major roles in The West Wing with Martin Sheen, The Amytiville Horror, Capricorn One, and the upcoming Rambo movie.

He today joins film director and cult icon David Lynch in going public with his doubts about the official story behind 9/11. Lynch told Dutch television he thought WTC Building 7 was brought down via controlled demolition and that the Pentagon and Pennsylvania crash sites were suspicious due to the absence of evidence that a plane crashed at either location.

Lynch and Brolin follow in the footsteps of other notable cultural figures who have spoken out on 9/11, such as Richard Linklater, Jesse Ventura, Matthew Bellemy, Ed Asner and Charlie Sheen.

Sheen was the first high profile celebrity to put his reputation on the line in the name of 9/11 truth and his courage should be saluted in opening the door for present and future individuals to follow his example.

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Hope everyone had a good day.

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Nothing much going on here this evening

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I don't have a lot going on myself.

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Just thought that I would stop in and do some random posting

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And now, I'm off!

[BakedDon]

From: Alex
Date: Dec 7 2006 12:11 PM


First I need to say right off the bat that any or all of the deaths that I discuss here may be just what they have been officially found to be: suicides or accidents. And we need to be very careful that we don’t overstate the case as to what these “suicides” and “accidents” PROVE, lest we be considered “conspiracy theorists” at a time when we are trying to get people to take seriously the dangerous state of our election system, as well as the many crimes of the Bush Administration. Nevertheless, it seems to me that there is a disturbing pattern here – and we would do well to consider it.

I doubt that many DUers would find it very difficult to believe that the Bush administration sometimes has its domestic enemies assassinated. Most or all of us believe that the Bush Administration led us into a war on false pretenses (though perhaps a minority believes that at least they had decent motives). And the good majority of us believe that its plans for preventing and dealing with the recent human tragedy in New Orleans and surrounding areas were so lacking in effectiveness and enthusiasm that at best they should be characterized as willful negligence. Are these things less bad than assassinating one’s domestic enemies? I don’t think so. But the latter does seem scarier in some ways, perhaps because of what it says about the power that our government currently holds. So let’s consider some of these cases:


J. H. Hatfield

J. H. Hatfield wrote a scathing biography of George W. Bush, called “Fortunate Son”, which was published while Bush was running for President in 2000, following numerous aggressive attempts to prevent its publication. In addition to detailing many of the well known (to DUers) unethical and probably illegal business dealings by Bush in the 1990s, the book also alleged that Bush was found guilty of a c#c@ine use charge which was expunged from his record. I read his book with great interest in early 2001, and shortly thereafter I was dismayed to hear of Hatfield’s “suicide”.

This link discusses Hatfield’s death in June 2001, which was ruled a suicide, the result of a drug overdose in a hotel room. There was no autopsy. Suicide notes were found by the bedside, which Hatfield’s wife identified as being in his handwriting. Other evidence arguing for suicide includes the fact that Hatfield was having severe financial problems, and had just been charged with credit card fraud (which appears to have been a set-up).
Evidence arguing against suicide includes the fact that Hatfield had made public his receipt of death threats against him, his wife, and his daughter, from Bush allies. According to Hatfield, he was told "If you value their lives, you'd better back off from this edition." In addition, the lady who checked him in at the hotel noted that he was "pleasant and smiling" and "made conversation and had no visible signs of distress".
Hatfield’s publisher, Sander Hicks, initially accepted the suicide verdict. However, more recently, in January 2003, he announced that he was making the suicide notes available to forensics experts, to compare with handwriting samples that Hicks had acquired through the Freedom of Information Act, in order to arrive at an independent verdict in the case. I could not find any more recent information on this.


Cliff Baxter

Cliff Baxter was a former Vice Chairman of Enron, and one of the few high level Enron executives who had tried to prevent Enron’s illegal activities, which resulted in the fall of the company and the disappearance of the life savings of many of its employees, in one of the largest corporate fraud cases in U.S. history. At the time of his death he was about to testify before the House Energy and Commerce Committee about the scandal at Enron. It was felt by many that his testimony could be devastating to top Enron officials and might even provide a vital link between Enron and the Bush Administration.

Baxter, 43, was found shot to death in his car on the morning of January 25, 2002, near his home in Sugar Land, Texas. As this article explains, local authorities quickly called his death a suicide, without a serious investigation or even an autopsy. But hours later, the local Justice of the Peace, Jim Richard, reversed his decision not to order an autopsy, citing intense public interest.

Baxter was not known to have depression or any other mental problem at the time. He was a multi-millionaire, with an apparently happy family life. Furthermore, he had spoken with a friend recently about the fact that he felt he needed a body guard.

This article discusses the autopsy findings and provides a copy of them. It notes that although the autopsy states “suicide” as the cause of death, no evidence is given to support that conclusion. It also goes into detail about how the physical findings are much more suggestive of murder than of suicide. And finally, it notes that Baxter would have had no need for ratshot, the ammunition used to kill him, and that ratshot is the perfect murder ammunition, since it leaves no evidence capable of matching the gun to the ammunition.


Paul Wellstone

Paul Wellstone was the greatest thorn in the side of the Bush Administration of any U.S. Senator. Had he lived it was thought likely that, starting in 2003, he would have initiated a serious Senate investigation into the September 2001 terrorist attacks against our country. He died in a small plane crash just weeks prior to the 2002 mid-term elections, as it was becoming evident that he would win a third term to the U.S. Senate. It was thought at the time that a Wellstone victory in Minnesota would result in Democratic control of the Senate for the next two years (which would have been the case had Max Cleland not been defeated in Georgia).

According to this article, “None of the typical causes of a small plane accident—engine failure, icing, pilot error—appear to have been involved.” Evidence suggests that both engines were running when the plane hit the ground. The plane had passed through the icing altitude without apparent difficulty, and it was cleared for approach to the airport. Both pilots were very experienced and skilled. The Beechcraft model in which Wellstone was flying has an excellent safety record. Though visibility was limited, it was well above the minimum required.

There had been no problems until shortly before the crash. Witnesses say that the plane hit the ground at an almost vertical angle, and the crash was followed by an “extreme post-crash fire”.


Raymond Lemme

Raymond Lemme was the official from the Florida Inspector General’s office who was in the midst of investigating the election rigging charges of whistleblower Clint Curtis when he died. Curtis’ main allegation was that he was asked to write a computer program that would be capable of switching votes from one candidate to another, and which would be undetectable. Curtis also claims that Lemme had told him shortly before his death that he “had tracked the corruption all the way to the top”.

Lemme was found dead in a Valdosta, Georgia, Knights Inn motel room on July 1, 2003. His arm was slashed twice with a razor blade, near the left elbow. The Brad Blog has thoroughly investigated this case and put forth several reasons to believe that it was not a suicide, as has been ruled by the Valdosta police, including:

1. Evidence includes two motel receipts – an unsigned check-in receipt dated June 29, 2003, and a signed check-out receipt dated June 30, 2003, 6:54 a.m. Yet Lemme was found dead in the hotel on July 1, the day AFTER he apparently checked out. The police claim that the check-out date on the receipt is wrong, and ascribe the “incorrect” date to machine error, but refused to provide additional detail on that.

2. The initial police report stated: "a defect in the camera flash memory cards resulted in no usable photographs. Photographs will not be submitted with this report." Yet good quality photographs of the crime scene, some showing Lemme in the bath tub where he is said to have killed himself, and which were previously said not to have existed, later showed up. The legitimacy of the photographs was confirmed by the Valdosta police.

3. Inconsistency of police report and photographs: An official report by Detective Shannon Floyd states that there was no sign of foul play, and that there was no blood on the towel on which a black belt (apparently used as a tourniquet) was found. Yet, the pictures clearly show blood on the towel and severe bruising on the right side of Lemme’s neck.

4. When Brad Blog attempted to talk with Detective Floyd about her inconsistent findings, they were told that she no longer works for the Department, and the police refused to tell them how they could reach her.

5. After re-opening the case (late 04 or early 05), the case was quickly closed after talking with the Florida Department of Transportation. The Valdosta police refused to comment on why the Florida DOT should have a say in when they close a death investigation in Georgia.

6. Lemme’s work colleagues and family all agree that there were no previous indications that Lemme wanted to die.

7. Nobody knows why Lemme was in Georgia, about 80 miles north of Tallahassee, where he lived and worked. No autopsy was performed, whereas had the death occurred in Florida, an autopsy would have been required.

[BakedDon]

David Kelly

Dr. David Kelly was a microbiologist and an expert in weapons of mass destruction. He had already blown the whistle regarding the exaggeration of British intelligence reports on the possibility of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, as the Bush Administration was trying to make the case for invading Iraq. This DU article speculates that the Bush Administration may have had yet a great deal more to fear from Dr. Kelly’s telling what he knew of the Administration’s devious plans for building a case for war in Iraq.

On July 18th, 2003, Kelly was found dead in a secluded lane in Harrowdown Hill, with his left wrist slit. His death was ruled a suicide, but Jim Rarey feels that there were many red flags that indicated otherwise, including:

1. Kelly was initially found propped up against a tree, and yet medical evidence indicated that he died on his back.

2. The ulnar artery was severed, but not the radial artery. This would be extremely difficult for a person to accomplish by himself.

3. Two paramedics at the scene said that there was surprisingly little blood for an artery having been severed, yet the forensic pathologist who performed the autopsy testified that there were copious amounts of blood at the scene.

4. The forensic pathologist said that bruises and scratches on Kelly’s body were due to stumbling around in heavy underbrush, yet no heavy underbrush was found at the scene of the death.

5. The day before his death, Kelly communicated with Judith Miller of the NY Times, talking about “many dark actors playing games”.


Ted Westhusing

Colonel Ted Westhusing, one of the Army’s leading scholars of military ethics, volunteered to serve in Iraq in order to enable him to better be able to teach his students, as described in this article. A few weeks before he died, he had received an anonymous complaint that a private contractor was cheating the U.S. government and committing human rights violations, including participating in the killing of Iraqi military personnel and civilians. Westhusing reported all this, but an official investigation found his allegations to be “unfounded”. Westhusing was very upset about these findings.

Shortly thereafter, in June of 2005, Westhusing was found dead in a trailer at a military base in Baghdad, with a gunshot wound to his head. The death was ruled a suicide. At the time he was the highest ranking U.S. officer to die in Iraq.

But Westhusing’s family and friends were not pleased with the suicide verdict. Shortly before his death he had expressed fear of being alone. His family and friends were troubled that he died “without a bodyguard, surrounded by the same contractors he suspected of wrongdoing. They wonder why the manager who discovered Westhusing's body and picked up his weapon was not tested for gunpowder residue.” “He's the last person who would commit suicide,” said a graduate school colleague of his.


Three more Bush biographers and six microbiologists associated with the anthrax hoax

While I was researching the Hatfield death I came across the fact that, with Gary Webb’s death in 2004, this was the fourth “ ‘suicide’ by a researcher who had a detailed understanding of the structure and function of the Bush crime family.” This section of my thread differs from the above sections in that these are very brief accounts, and two of the additional three “Bush researchers” who are discussed here conducted research involving Bush Senior, but apparently had little or nothing to do with our current president.

Gary Webb, the “investigative reporter who broke the story about the CIA's involvement with crack cocaine dealers in Southern California in the 1980’s”, was found dead in Sacramento in December 2004, from a gunshot wound to the head. The death was ruled a suicide. This article notes that Webb had been receiving death threats and discusses the impossibility of a suicide victim shooting himself in the face twice.

This article discusses the deaths of Mark Lombardi and Danny Casalaro. Mark Lombardi was found dead in his loft, from hanging, in March 2000.

Danny Casolaro was writing a book, 'The Octopus', “which was meant to be an explosive expose of the scandals surrounding the presidency of George Bush Sr.”, when he was found dead in August in a hotel in Martinsburg, West Virginia, in 1991. He had bragged to friends that he would “bring back the head of the Octopus.” Both his wrists were slashed seven times, and a suicide note was found nearby. The only existing manuscript of the book he was writing, as well as his notes, were missing.

The same article notes six dead microbiologists connected with the 2001 anthrax hoax. The article notes that after the source of the anthrax (the strain that killed several American citizens and was also sent to the offices of Senators Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy) was traced to a Pentagon lab, “microbiologists started dropping off like flies”. Five died between 12 November and 12 December 2001 of “suicides” or “heart attacks”, and one was bashed to death with a baseball bat in a high-security lab.


Putting this in perspective

I must reiterate that we need to be very careful that we do not overstate the case for what might be construed as a pattern of assassinations committed by our current Administration against its domestic enemies. For example, one article, commenting on the odds of so many “Bush researcher deaths” actually being a suicide, calculated the odds against that to be about one in ten quadrillion. That’s patently ridiculous, as those calculations assume that all four of these men were the only ones who were involved in researching Bush family crimes, and that they all occurred in the same year, which they didn’t.

What ARE the odds of so many suicides or violent accidental deaths occurring to enemies of the Bush Administration since, let’s say, George W. Bush’s inauguration? I am an epidemiologist, which means that I make my living by assessing the causes of injury and death, through statistical analysis of real life events. Yet, I can hardly begin to calculate what these odds are. I know that the suicide rate in this country is quite low: In men between the ages of 25 and 65 it is only about 17 to 20 cases per 100,000 population per year. But the main reason that I can’t calculate the odds is that I don’t know what to use as a denominator – which would be the number of persons at risk of such a death (i.e., Bush Administration enemies) during this time period. So, in order to calculate the odds, I would have to have a list of, say, the top 10 or top 200 Bush Administration enemies since Bush’s inauguration, and then see how many of them had died of violent deaths which were ruled suicides or accidents. And in putting together such a list, one would have to be careful not to be biased by existing knowledge of the death of these people.

I will end by giving one sample calculation. IF we assume that, of the 5 “suicide” deaths that I discuss in some detail in this thread (leaving out Senator Wellstone, since that was ruled an accident, not a suicide), all 5 of the individuals were among the top 100 persons whom the Bush Administration would have liked to see disappear, the odds against 5 of the top 100 Bush Administration enemies really dying of suicide over a five year period is about ten thousand to one, assuming that they were not related. If we further consider the facts that most of the victims had no known reason to commit suicide and did not seem at all suicidal, the investigations seemed so rushed and incomplete, the various evidence against suicide in these cases, the known ruthlessness of our current Administration, the likelihood that some people would have been too difficult to assassinate, and the possibility that I may have missed some additional top 100 deaths during this time period, the odds would become even more remote.

This looks like an ominous pattern to me.

[BakedDon]

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/12/06/america/NA_GEN_US_Oil_From_Chavez.php

"U.S. mother receives discounted Venezuelan heating oil

BALTIMORE: A 58-year-old disabled American mother is the latest beneficiary of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez's oil largesse.

Citgo Petroleum Corp., the U.S. subsidiary of Venezuela's state-owned oil company, delivered discounted heating oil Wednesday to Debra Henderson's Baltimore home, the first of 15,000 needy households in Maryland slated to receive more than 3 million gallons (11.4 million liters) of discounted fuel.

Citgo is providing up to 200 gallons (760 liters) to each household at a 40 percent discount.

The heating oil program is part of a promise by the country's socialist leader to aid America's poor. Citgo is also donating free oil to homeless shelters.

Nationally, Citgo said it will expand the program beyond the Northeast to provide oil at a 40 percent discount to more than 400,000 households in 16 states. It will more than double the amount of oil provided, from nearly 40 million gallons (142 million liters) last winter to more than 100 million gallons (380 million liters) for this winter.

The United States remains the top buyer of Venezuelan oil, but relations between the two countries have been tense since Chavez took office.

Critics of the discounted oil program say Chavez is hoping to embarrass President George W. Bush, whom the socialist leader has repeatedly mocked, including a speech to the United Nations in September in which he called Bush "the devil."

That prompted the residents of some Alaskan villages to reject the oil offer. Maine Governor John Baldacci, who approved an agreement last winter to buy discounted oil, also has said he had no plans this year to seek a similar arrangement.

CITGO President and CEO Felix Rodríguez has called the charity a "people-to-people program that comes from the heart of Venezuela to the homes of American families who just can't pay their energy bills."

Former U.S. Rep. Joseph P. Kennedy, who drove the delivery truck to Henderson's home, said he approached every major oil company and every OPEC nation last year and asked that a small slice of their record profits go to help the poor.

"The only country, the only oil company to provide the poor of this nation with a little assistance was CITGO," said Kennedy, whose Citizens Energy Corporation is running the household delivery program.

But Chavez's oil largesse is less popular at home. Polls show many believe it is too lavish.

Even though Chavez's strongest support is among the poor and working class, a third of the Venezuelan population live in poverty and some think the oil money would be better spent on improving their living conditions.

Chavez, who accuses Washington of backing a 2002 coup against him, celebrated his victory in Sunday's presidential vote by calling his re-election "another defeat for the devil, who tries to dominate the world."

[BakedDon]

Google is building a profile of you... They share info with the government..

THey helped China censor the internet.

Use Scroogle (http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm)

Screw Google

[BakedDon]

Its a google scraper

the same as google but they dont store your search inquiries

they have a yahoo scraper (http://www.scroogle.org/scraper7.html) too

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You know, as I remember, quite a few people that live in china are pleased with the way the government is run over there.

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It's Friday!

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Not sure what I'm going to do after work today. Course, that's a long ways away from now...

[Carrie]

I am bored and should be doing Home wrok but to be honest I am pretty burned out on that right now. I can only learn so much ya know.

[Carrie]

Although it is already midterms....but still I am not liking this webtools class too much. the prof is a pain in my ass. What ever. I am still getting an A I guess that is all that matters.

[Carrie]

Dream Weaver is nice in some ways...but Image Ready is so much easier to deal with and you can edit the damned pics right there

[Carrie]

rather than having to edit them in Photoshop and then throw them into dreamweaver.

[Carrie]

Just dumb.

[Carrie]

Ok and now I feel guilty because I should be doing that instead. I am supposed to have 2 posts by Saturday....and I have yet to make a post. Oh well I guess I won't get full credit even though I do more than the required work just because of that.

[Carrie]

this would be why I am not liking this professor much right now.

[Carrie]

and I need to smoke, but it is so cold I think I will wait awhile.

[Carrie]

Nope...I lied. I am going to go smoke...then work on home work for a while...then smoke again....then go to bed. FUCK THIS...I HATE SCHOOL....I want to change my Major..but at this point it is pointless because if I do that then I will pretty much be starting all over. I want to change to Child Psychology.

[Carrie]

I think what I will do is just get my degree...then turn around and get my degree in that. That way I can do anything I want to. It is nice to have options ya know...

[Carrie]

ok I will stop in here tomorrow and say 'sup.

[Carrie]

goodnight Everyone :)

[ThumperZ1]

Nice rant Carrie!!! :soapbox:

[ThumperZ1]

Saturday morning and i get three hours to play before I head off to work. :clap1:

[ThumperZ1]

I may as well update my Grid.org stats... It's been over a week.

[riscy]

Hi THumper - long time no see

[ThumperZ1]

New, as of my post 4269.
Total CPU Time (y:d:h:m:s) (Rank) 6:177:01:17:08 (# 10,654)
Points Generated (Rank) 1,814,491 (#4,307)
Results Returned (Rank) 6,508 (#7,541)

Old
Total CPU Time (y:d:h:m:s) (Rank) 6:162:14:36:32 (# 10,701)
Points Generated (Rank) 1,802,081 (#4,325)
Results Returned (Rank) 6,457 (#7,599)
Not bad.. gotta love the fast dual core processor!

[riscy]

Catch you later - off to eat, just been summoned!

[ThumperZ1]

It has been darn cold here the last few days... lows in the single digits with wind chills below zero...HATE IT!!!!

[ThumperZ1]

Howdy riscy! I just finished breakfast... you are probably doing the evening meal thing.. LOL

[ThumperZ1]

I can see that in a week or so, riscy will finally catch my post count... :clap1:

[ThumperZ1]

Let's see what winamp brings up this morning....

[ThumperZ1]

The Cult - Love Removal Machine

[ThumperZ1]

I'm still trying to get the kinks worked out on the 64bit version of Vista. I've had to turn off all their stupid security nags, and take ownership of stuff I shouldn't have to.

[ThumperZ1]

So far it's been stable, and I finally did recieve my key so I could activate it.

[ThumperZ1]

I Hear a Heartbeat - Psychedelic Furs

[ThumperZ1]

Jorn - Fool For Your Lovin' Tonight (great Whitesnake cover version)

[ThumperZ1]

Haircut One Hundred - Love Plus One

[riscy]

Well, just in for 20 mins or so

[riscy]

Just banned someone else - this is just crazy!

[riscy]

What is it with these people signing up just to spam???

[riscy]

I cannot understand them!

[riscy]

Later, peeps - have a good one!

[mathmission]

Hope everyone is having a good weekend. I think Riscy's is almost over by now. Just one more before I have to go back to work. BOOO!

[mathmission]

Hey Thumper. Haven't see you in a while. I hope that things are going well. Take care my friend.

[riscy]

Yes, MM, had the frst day of work today - I can feel already that this is going to be a long week!!

[tiremonkey2000]

Morning all

[tiremonkey2000]

From your resident sick person

[tiremonkey2000]

Hurting a little now be back later

[mathmission]

I'm sorry to hear that TM. Find a couch and take a break! Hope you feel better soon my friend!

[tiremonkey2000]

Thanks MM i'm feeling much better but it's now time for a nap again.
Be back later

[BakedDon]

TireMonkey, Riscy, MM

I wish you all well

Hope you are using The Secret (http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=the+secret+chapter)

plus the deleted scene E=MC2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYhNJv6lzGQ)

[BakedDon]

Whip them tires Monkey

Dont let them tires whip you

[BakedDon]

The cause of all fear is self-grasping ignorance,
and all the delusions, such as selfishness, attachment and anger,
arise from that ignorance,
as well as all the unskillful actions motivated by those delusions.

[BakedDon]

Buddha

[BakedDon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni5hsy3TGps

They build up these Boogie Men...

and then

They knock em down..

[BakedDon]

Well they are only killing insurgence...

none of my friends are insurgence..

I don't even know any insurgence.

Are they even considered real people ???

[BakedDon]

You go in...

You divide em up..

Then you conquer.

[BakedDon]

Iraq...

Civil War..

The biggest US bases in the world.

[BakedDon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni5hsy3TGps

We are in this together...

Its the elite vs the masses..

Judging by current wealth distribution.

We are losing.

Unless you are reading this message from your house on the hill or boat on the lake.

[BakedDon]

Some people know truth when they hear it.

Some people have an instinct for freedom.

Some people would rather live on thier feet than die on thier knees.

[BakedDon]

Freedom....

Thats what I want...

and thats what you should want..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ni5hsy3TGps

[BakedDon]

It's up to each and everyone of us to let loose just some of the greed and envy. Cause that is the central modes of control. To make you feel small... So we'll willingly give up some of our liberty.. our destiny.

[ThumperZ1]

Winamp has chosen Circle For a Landing by Three Dog Night to start this musical set.

[ThumperZ1]

Kashmir - Led Zeppelin

[ThumperZ1]

Time to update my Grid.org stats. As of my POST 4283

New:
Total CPU Time (y:d:h:m:s) (Rank) 6:181:10:01:40 (# 10,640)
Points Generated (Rank) 1,818,250 (#4,296)
Results Returned (Rank) 6,522 (#7,520)

Old:
Total CPU Time (y:d:h:m:s) (Rank) 6:177:01:17:08 (# 10,654)
Points Generated (Rank) 1,814,491 (#4,307)
Results Returned (Rank) 6,508 (#7,541)

[ThumperZ1]

Astronomy - Blue Oyster Cult with Stephen King's spoken "Imaginos" intro.

[ThumperZ1]

For anyone in the Midwestern area of the US, who likes to play America's Army....... This Saturday the 16th, there will be a Tournament in Oskaloosa, IA.
4 on 4 and 1 on 1 action.
Proceeds will benefit the local national guard unit and families.

for more info check out oskaloosalan.com

[ThumperZ1]

Arms Wide Open - Creed

[ThumperZ1]

Don't Misunderstand Me - Rossington-Collins Band

[ThumperZ1]

Heartbreaker - Grand Funk Railroad

[ThumperZ1]

What She Said - Sidewinders

[ThumperZ1]

What a boring Tuesday afternoon..

[ThumperZ1]

There's no work, so I'm supposed to go home... but I'm just locked in my little room with the door closed and JAMMIN'!!

[ThumperZ1]

Actually surfin', postin' and jammin'

[ThumperZ1]

Power - Kansas

[ThumperZ1]

I finally figured out what I'm getting folks for presents this year.

[ThumperZ1]

nada ... zip... zilch.... Bah Humbug this year

[ThumperZ1]

Your Daddy Don't Know - Toronto

[ThumperZ1]

Blue On Black - Kenny Wayne Shepherd

[ThumperZ1]

AC/DC - For Those About To Rock

[ThumperZ1]

Dang.. the sun was shining..now cloudy and drizzly ..... hate it

[ThumperZ1]

No End In Sight - Toto

[ThumperZ1]

WhooHooo!! made it past 4300!! :dance: :shakinmon :bananadan :jester: :kittydanc :sun: :kisses: :buddies: :Pimp: :dotdance: :urock: :utcrocks: :7up: :pcheerlea :clap1:

[ThumperZ1]

hmmmm.... I like that Toto song enough that I'm going to play it again.

No End In Sight - Toto :urock: :yourock:

[ThumperZ1]

Hummers In Heaven - Barry Martin

[ThumperZ1]

The Chain - Fleetwood Mac

[ThumperZ1]

Turn The Page - Bob Seger & The Silver Bullet Band

[ThumperZ1]

St George and The Dragon - Toto

[ThumperZ1]

We Can Work It Out - The Beatles

[ThumperZ1]

Walk Away Renee - Left Banke

[ThumperZ1]

Become America - The Call

[ThumperZ1]

Dear Mr Fantasy - Traffic

[ThumperZ1]

Higher Love - Steve Winwood

[ThumperZ1]

Would I Lie To You - The Eurythmics

[ThumperZ1]

I Just Want To Celebrate - Rare Earth

[ThumperZ1]

Lightning - REO Speedwagon

[ThumperZ1]

Down Came A Blackbird - Lila McCann

[ThumperZ1]

Gonna Raise Hell - Cheap Trick

[ThumperZ1]

Rockestra Theme - Paul McCartney & Wings

[ThumperZ1]

Tales Of Brave Ulysses - Cream

[ThumperZ1]

Snakedance - The Rainmakers

[ThumperZ1]

Hmmmm, a veritable cornucopia of musical styles and sounds.... OUI BEE JAMMIN'!!!

[ThumperZ1]

I Had Too Much To Dream - Electric Prunes

[ThumperZ1]

Light Up - Styx

[ThumperZ1]

Daddy's Money - Ricochet

[ThumperZ1]

Everybody Wants Some - Van Halen

[ThumperZ1]

Monster/Suicide/America (Live) - Steppenwolf

[ThumperZ1]

well, I suppose I've had enough fun on my afternoon off, here at work. :saywha:

[ThumperZ1]

Maybe time for one more song before I head home. :UTCCow:

[ThumperZ1]

Little Gandy Dancer - Bachman-Turner Overdrive

[ThumperZ1]

Last song and Good Night!

Ain't Too Proud To Beg - Temptations

[tiremonkey2000]

Sitting at home is getting to be real boring

[tiremonkey2000]

I guess i'm just gonna have too break out the PS2 and start playing

[tiremonkey2000]

I can't wait until monday i finally get to go back to work

[tiremonkey2000]

Even if for only half days

[tiremonkey2000]

Just so i can get back into the swing of things

[tiremonkey2000]

And then the following week i can go back to full time again

[mathmission]

Sorry that the time off is starting to get to you. But consider the alternative. Had there been no surgery, you'd probably be poisoned by now!

[tiremonkey2000]

True very true or dead which i don't even want to think about.

[mathmission]

Yeah, I'm not sure how I would react if I were to find out that one of you guys, one that I've known for a long while, died. It would surely hit me hard.

[tiremonkey2000]

What is it with this spammer this morning, he's driving me crazy

[tiremonkey2000]

Well i'm gonna lay down awhile will be back later.

[BakedDon]

Anti-Bush T-Shirts Not Allowed on Airplanes
(via www.wayodd.com)

There goes our freedom of speech. An Australian man was denied permission to board a connecting flight unless he removed the T-shirt titled "World's #1 Terrorist" with a picture of U.S. President George W. Bush.

[BakedDon]

Ministry has been nominated for a Grammy for "Best Metal Performance" for the song 'Lies Lies Lies'


Ministry - Lies Lies Lies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTC8pqso4PI)




Gentlemen we have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government
Do you still think that jet fuel brought down the World Trade Center?
(Laughter)
Does anybody else see a problem here?
If the government has nothing to hide why are they so afraid to answer a few questions?
This story does not add up

We're on a mission to never forget
3,000 people that I’ve never met
We want some answers and all that we get
Some kind of sh^t about a terrorist threat
Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies
Surpise surprise

Lies Lies

We're on a mission to dig up the truth
You think we’re stupid and there’s no proof
Well let me tell you that the time has come
To pull the trigger on the smoking gun
Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies
Surpise surprise

Lies Lies Lies Lies

Don’t listen to me listen to your head
Don’t listen
Don’t listen to anything, they’ve said
Don’t listen

Lies Lies Lies Lies

America has been hijacked
Not by Al Qaeda, not by Bin Laden
But by a group of tyrants
That should be of great concern to all Americans

We're on a mission to bring out the facts
You got your stories but they all have cracks
Misinformation, lies and deceit
What made you think that we were all asleep
Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies Lies
Surpise surprise

Lies Lies Lies Lies

Don’t listen to me listen to your head
Don’t listen
Don’t listen to anything, they’ve said
Don’t listen

Lies Lies Lies Lies

Don’t listen to me listen to your head






www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTC8pqso4PI

[BakedDon]

McCain Bill Is Lethal Injection For Internet Freedom
Exploits fear of sexual predators and basic misunderstanding of Internet to attack blogs critical of the warmongering agenda he fronts for

[BakedDon]

Prison Planet | December 15, 2006
Paul Joseph Watson

Republican Senator John McCain has introduced legislation that would fine blogs up to $300,000 for offensive statements, photos and videos posted by visitors on comment boards, effectively nixing the open exchange of ideas on the Internet, providing a lethal injection for unrestrained opinion, and acting as the latest attack tool to chill freedom of speech on the world wide web.

[BakedDon]

McCain's proposal, called the "Stop the Online Exploitation of Our Children Act," encourages informants to shop website owners to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, who then pass the information on to the relevant police authorities.

[BakedDon]

Federal judge invokes Military Commissions Act to reject Gitmo habeas petition

Jurist | December 15, 2006
Bernard Hibbitts
article with links (http://www.infowars.com/articles/ps/military_commissions_fed_judge_invokes_to_reject_g tmo_habeas_petitioni.htm)
A federal judge Wednesday dismissed [ruling, PDF] a habeas corpus petition brought by Guantanamo detainee Salim Hamdan [ Trial Watch profile ], finding it was clearly barred under the controversial habeas-stripping language [JURIST report] of the new Military Commissions Act (MCA) [text, PDF] even though it was pending at the time the Act was passed. Agreeing with a position [JURIST report] on pending habeas petitions taken earlier this fall by the US Department of Justice, US District Judge James Robertson wrote in the first ruling to construe the MCA:
Hamdan's lengthy detention beyond American borders but within the jurisdictional authority of the United States is historically unique. Nevertheless, as the government argues in its reply brief, his connection to the United States lacks the geographical and volitional predicates necessary to claim a constitutional right to habeas corpus. Petitioner has never entered the United States and accordingly does not enjoy the “implied protection” that accompanies presence on American soil. Guantanamo Bay, although under the control of the United States military, remains under “the ultimate sovereignty of the Republic of Cuba.” Presence within the exclusive jurisdiction and control of the United States was enough for the Court to conclude in Rasul that the broad scope of the habeas statute covered Guantanamo Bay detainees, but the detention facility lies outside the sovereign realm, and only U.S. citizens in such locations may claim entitlement to a constitutionally guaranteed writ...

Congress's removal of jurisdiction from the federal courts was not a suspension of habeas corpus within the meaning of the Suspension Clause (or, to the extent that it was, it was plainly unconstitutional, in the absence of rebellion or invasion), but Hamdan's statutory access to the writ is blocked by the jurisdiction-stripping language of the Military Commissions Act, and he has no constitutional entitlement to habeas corpus.
In the context of his ruling Robertson left unaddressed Hamdan's general arguments that the Military Commissions Act is unconstitutional "because it does not provide an adequate substitute for habeas review, because it violates the principle of separation of powers by instructing the courts to ignore the Supreme Court's ruling that the Geneva Conventions afford judicially enforceable protections to petitioner Hamdan, because it is an unlawful Bill of Attainder, and because it violates Equal Protection."

Robertson initially granted Hamdan's habeas petition at the initial stage of the Hamdan v. Rumsfeld case in 2004, holding - as he explained Wednesday - that "he could could not be tried lawfully before a military commission that had not [then] been approved by Congress." Robertson's ruling was upheld on appeal [JURIST report] by the US Supreme Court in June this year

[tiremonkey2000]

I got so bored friday morning that i drove to work and stayed for 4.5 hours.

[tiremonkey2000]

i felt great to get out of the house for awhile.

[tiremonkey2000]

But then when i got home i was so tired i layed on the couch and slept until this afternoon.

[tiremonkey2000]

Well i'm going to eat now be back later unless i fall asleep again lol

[mathmission]

Hope things are going well. Nothing really new with me here. Just enjoying the weekend.

[mathmission]

I think I'm gonna make some chili tomorrow for dinner.

[mathmission]

Anyway, just wanted to say hello, and get some posts in here. Seems as though I haven't been posting in here as much as I sometimes do.

[tiremonkey2000]

Anyway, just wanted to say hello, and get some posts in here. Seems as though I haven't been posting in here as much as I sometimes do.
Yea i hear you on that one

[tiremonkey2000]

Been real busy this morning went to the store with the wife and got our christmas tree today.

[tiremonkey2000]

Had some freinds stop by to check up on me and see how i am doing.

[tiremonkey2000]

Now i'm just sitting here posting a bit and watching football

[tiremonkey2000]

The wife is spraying snow on the tree so it smells in the house.

[tiremonkey2000]

She actually chased the dog out of the living room and she's sitting at my feet.

[riscy]

You have your wife sitting at your feet?She actually chased the dog out of the living room and she's sitting at my feet.

[riscy]

What is your secret TM?

[mathmission]

:lol:

[tiremonkey2000]

Well first i have the dog spray artifical snow on the tree and since the wife has a sensitive nose she runs and puts her head at my feet and lays there awhile.:imslow: :biggrin:

[BakedDon]

Listen to the ALex Jones Show anytime (http://www.nfowars.net:443/stream1.pls)

a new one every sunday

[tiremonkey2000]

Time for work i can't wait

[tiremonkey2000]

Today i get to find out how long i can last at work, half a day or longer

[tiremonkey2000]

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[tiremonkey2000]

WOOHOO 1700 posts finally

[mathmission]

Yeah, same here. Ugh.

Although I do have an interview today

[mathmission]

I'll be sure to let everyone know how it goes.

[BakedDon]

http://www.youtube.com/v/cWt0XUocViE
a new video on Net Neutrality

From SaveTheInternet.com

[BakedDon]

Security guards soon could carry stun guns
Bill would expand stun gun use beyond law enforcement.

AP | December 18, 2006
DAVID EGGERT

LANSING -- A little-noticed bill that would let more people use Tasers and stun guns in Michigan is awaiting Gov. Jennifer Granholm's likely signature, though critics hope she wields her veto pen.

The legislation approved by the state Senate 30-7 last week and passed unanimously by the House in September would exempt detention facilities and private security officers at some hospitals and malls from a ban against using stun guns. Police officers and others in law enforcement have been able to carry the weapons since 2002.

Stun guns and Tasers -- a police favorite because they can be fired from a distance -- temporarily disable people with electric shocks and are billed as a safer way to subdue combative suspects. But some question Taser-related deaths and worry the technology is used too routinely, not as a last resort.

"I'm not convinced they're so benign," says Sen. Liz Brater, an Ann Arbor Democrat who voted against the bill along with five other Democrats and a Republican. "They're being presented as if they're some kind of water pistol or something. That's not what they are."

The bill's sponsor, Republican Rep. Rick Jones of Grand Ledge, responds that Tasers are a safer and better alternative to firing a gun. He says he could even support letting civilians carry Tasers if they have a concealed weapons permit.

"There will always be critics of any device," says Jones, a former sheriff in Eaton County, west of Lansing.

He argues that pepper spray, rubber bullets and other devices aren't perfect, either.

"It is important to give both police officers and corrections officers all the possible non-lethal options," Jones says.

Tasers fire barbs that can pierce the skin to deliver a 50,000-volt shock causing muscles to lock up.

In a March report, human rights group Amnesty International said it had logged more than 150 deaths involving Tasers across the country in the previous five years.

The rise in deaths, however, accompanied an increase in the number of law enforcement agencies using devices made by Taser International Inc. of Scottsdale, Ariz. About 1,000 of the nation's 18,000 police agencies used Tasers in 2001; 9,800 departments have them now.

Amnesty International is urging police departments to suspend the use of Tasers pending more independent study.

Dori Dinsmore, director of Amnesty's Midwest office, says her group isn't inherently against Tasers and supports the use of non-lethal weapons. But she worries about a lack of oversight when security officers are allowed to carry Tasers.

"Police departments are accountable to their communities," Dinsmore says, adding that citizens can meet with police chiefs and press for investigations involving deadly uses of Tasers. "Who's going to hold the private firms or civilian officers accountable?"

Taser chairman and co-founder Tom Smith says Tasers' benefits far outweigh their risks.

They give private security officers in other states a non-lethal alternative in crowded settings like malls and emergency rooms, reduce injuries to police officers and suspects, and decrease worker compensation claims, according to Smith. He notes that 43 states impose no restrictions on Tasers and let civilians buy them.

Smith says that of the 500,000 times Tasers have been used in demonstrations, training and in the field, they were deemed a contributing factor in 25 to 30 deaths. Many deaths involved a violent struggle with police in which the suspect was overweight, addicted to drugs, mentally ill or had a bad heart, Smith says.

Opponents of the legislation insist Tasers can exacerbate preexisting health conditions and are fired too many times at unarmed men with deadly consequences.

The bill says only those trained in the use, effects and risks of electro-muscular disruption devices could use them.

"We're supportive of the bill because it includes safety precautions," says Granholm spokeswoman Liz Boyd.

Stun guns and Tasers were mostly banned in Michigan until 2002, when lawmakers created an exception for police officers and security officers in prisons, courts and probation departments. A 2004 law lets county jail officers use Tasers, but the latest bill was introduced because officials felt city lockup centers were inadvertently overlooked.

The measure also would let officers at nine licensed private security agencies use Tasers, though it's unclear whether they actually will.

[ThumperZ1]

Greetings Earthlings!

[ThumperZ1]

I'm still waiting to hear how mm's interview went and tm's workday results.

[ThumperZ1]

Time to check my Grid.org stats as of my post 4332:
New:
Total CPU Time (y:d:h:m:s) (Rank) 6:193:00:15:37 (# 10,590)
Points Generated (Rank) 1,827,828 (#4,272)
Results Returned (Rank) 6,556 (#7,481)

OLD:
Total CPU Time (y:d:h:m:s) (Rank) 6:181:10:01:40 (# 10,640)
Points Generated (Rank) 1,818,250 (#4,296)
Results Returned (Rank) 6,522 (#7,520)

[ThumperZ1]

Just a few more days til Christmas... another 2 weeks and the holiday madness is over.

[ThumperZ1]

Time to go play Santa Thumper. I get to deliver the Christmas rolls to our clients.

[mathmission]

I'm still waiting to hear how mm's interview went and tm's workday results.
Still trying to get some information on it. Either way, I should have a decent, benefits eligible job here in about 2 weeks.

[tiremonkey2000]

I'm still waiting to hear how mm's interview went and tm's workday results.
well my workday went pretty good, i sat at the desk and wrote tire orders and answered the phone but i stayed too long 8 hrs. instead of half a day. so i'm at work right now and getting ready to leave in a bout an hour. I hurt pretty good yesterday after work so i'm not going to over do it today.

[riscy]

Rest up TM, and take it easy for a while

[riscy]

Your health is important

[riscy]

There is no point in pushing yourself too soon

[riscy]

Having said that, I would probably be like you ATM - I think it is a male thing

[mathmission]

hehe, yeah. Take it easy TM, enjoy that weather and get some rest! Go check out some DVDs or something! Have Riscy send you some.