1,000,000 post thread

[riscy]

Yeah - the employers are trawling and see what they pick up

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In 1959, the Soviet space probe "Luna Two" became the
first manmade object to reach the moon as it crashed
onto the lunar surface.

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Yeah - the employers are trawling and see what they pick up
And these positions could be anywhere in whatever country? Or are these all country-specific positions?


In 1968, "Apollo Seven," the first manned Apollo mission,
was launched with astronauts Wally Schirra, Donn Fulton
Eisele and R. Walter Cunningham aboard.

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QUOTE: "In this world, full often, our joys are only the
tender shadows which our sorrows cast."

ANSWER: Henry Ward Beecher

[riscy]

Henry Ward Beecher

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TODAY'S MYSTERY QUOTE

QUOTE: "A battle won is a battle which we will not
acknowledge to be lost."

HINT: Was a French soldier. He was a French marshal and
rose to be commander of the allied armies during World
War I.

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Henry Ward Beecher
:kitty: Woo!

[riscy]

Any country - we go through an organisation and can check out which countries we want beforehand

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Submarines are always referred to as "boats" except in some
formal documents. The term U-Boat is sometimes used for
German submarines in English.

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Any country - we go through an organisation and can check out which countries we want beforehand
Do you have a region of choice?



In 1995 the Royal Norwegian Navy became the first navy
in the world to appoint a female submarine captain

[riscy]

We tend to look at the country first, school second and then go from there

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Submarines are painted black for the same reason soldiers
in Iraq wear desert camouflage. Underwater, a black sub
blends in with surroundings to help avoid enemy detection.

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We tend to look at the country first, school second and then go from there
Yeah, I guess that makes sense!



The first military submarine was Turtle, a hand-powered
egg-shaped device designed by the American David Bushnell,
to accommodate a single man.

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Submariners are among the most heavily cross-trained
personnel in the U.S. military. Each must know how to
do everyone else's job in case of an onboard emergency.
A nuclear-reactor operator, for example, also must know
how to fire a torpedo, send a radio message, contain a
leak or trace an electrical problem.

[mathmission]

Submarines often are referred to as "The Silent Service"
because they operate surreptitiously. Much of their work
is classified and intelligence-related: for example,
tapping into the underwater telephone cables of the former
Soviet Union during the Cold War.

[riscy]

Probably Asia again - I fancy China or Thailand

[mathmission]

The first U.S. submarine was used — not very successfully
— in the Civil War era. By 1900, the Navy had a version
that held six crew members and had a 45-horsepower steam
engine. It dived to a depth of 75 feet.

[mathmission]

Probably Asia again - I fancy China or Thailand
I've always wanted to visit Thailand. I love the culture, and I really enjoy the food. Course, we don't really get a chance to have authentic thai over here that often.



By comparison, modern subs are nuclear-powered, hold
more than 100 crew members, and can travel more than
800 feet below the sea's surface — the precise depth
is classified.

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QUOTE: "A battle won is a battle which we will not
acknowledge to be lost."

ANSWER: Ferdinand Foch



There you have it, that's the trivia for today!

[riscy]

I have been there many times, the last time was at the time of the Tsunami - I was on Puket at the timeI've always wanted to visit Thailand. I love the culture, and I really enjoy the food. Course, we don't really get a chance to have authentic thai over here that often.



By comparison, modern subs are nuclear-powered, hold
more than 100 crew members, and can travel more than
800 feet below the sea's surface — the precise depth
is classified.

[mathmission]

I have been there many times, the last time was at the time of the Tsunami - I was on Puket at the time
I see. Yeah, I'd still love to travel over there. But I'm not one to pick up and go alone. Though... I was about to fly to Paris last year by myself and just sort of bumble around for a few days...

[riscy]

The feeling of solidarity was INCREDIBLE, and the Thai people are so caring - they lost lots of people, but were more concerned about the foreigners who died. I was very moved at the time in Bangkok by the reaction to the disaster

[riscy]

Let's get you to 9,500 MM

[riscy]

BTW, what episode is Lost on in the States for Series 3?

[riscy]

I cannot wait and have started torrenting episodes to keep in touch with what is going on

[mathmission]

The feeling of solidarity was INCREDIBLE, and the Thai people are so caring - they lost lots of people, but were more concerned about the foreigners who died. I was very moved at the time in Bangkok by the reaction to the disaster
Yeah, see... that's just more reason to visit. I'm really interested in doing so. I plan to do so in the next 10 years. The sooner the better.

[mathmission]

BTW, what episode is Lost on in the States for Series 3?
Last night was Season 3, Episode 6... they won't have any new ones on until February 7th..

[riscy]

I remember reading somewhere that someone said "Lost is more addictive than crack cocaine" - I gotta get my fix!!

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Just a few more here!

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Im only about 600 posts behind Carrie

[riscy]

I have episodes 1 and 2 on the HD already

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I remember reading somewhere that someone said "Lost is more addictive than crack cocaine" - I gotta get my fix!!
Heheh, yeah probably. I'd discuss the eps with you, but you need to catch up, my friend!

[mathmission]

I have episodes 1 and 2 on the HD already
Awesome, let me know what you think!


9500th!

[riscy]

Go MM - you are a posting animal

[riscy]

IndeedyHeheh, yeah probably. I'd discuss the eps with you, but you need to catch up, my friend!

[riscy]

Congrats on 9,500 :)

[riscy]

I am home alone tonight as the wife is out

[riscy]

BTW, great to chat to you for once MM

[riscy]

Usually we miss each other

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That's true. I'm glad we finally got a chance to catch back up

[riscy]

So, what is your job status ATM?

[riscy]

What do you think of the elections in US, MM?

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So, what is your job status ATM?
At the moment, I am working for the University. But the position terminates in about 50 days, so I have to find something in the meantime. If I don't find something, the Unviersity will find something new for me, but of course, that's not my first choice. I'm trying to get a job with the newspaper at the moment, however ATM I've heard nothing.

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What do you think of the elections in US, MM?
I'm pleased with the elections, and am glad that the Democrats have taken back the House and Senate. The problem is that I don't have a lot of faith in our leadership over the past 10 years. I've not really seen any powerful democrats step up and get things done. I think that despite the shift, it's going to take a lot to get things rolling again.

Closer to home, I am pleased that the stem cell research will not be illegal here in my state. That was one of the biggest platforms that I was voting in favor for. It just barely passed here.

[mathmission]

Well, Im headed out to get some lunch. It was good getting a chance to talk to you again Riscy. I'll catch you around the pasture!

[riscy]

I think it is time for a change - Dubya has fu**ed up as much as he can, let's give someone else the chance

[riscy]

Indeedy, MM - enjoy the grass, or rabbit food - chat to you soon, my friend

[mathmission]

I think it is time for a change - Dubya has fu**ed up as much as he can, let's give someone else the chance
agreed!

[mathmission]

Indeedy, MM - enjoy the grass, or rabbit food - chat to you soon, my friend
Take care!

[riscy]

Hope you had a good munch, MM

[riscy]

Will catch you on the other side of the weekend - whichever weekend you choose.

[riscy]

Still early here

[riscy]

Just posting a few before bedtime

[riscy]

I am on on my own tonight

[riscy]

So I may as well post a few

[riscy]

just for the hell of it

[riscy]

Sorry, gtg. see you all soon - something popped up (as the bishop...)

tc

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something popped up (as the bishop...)
:rofl3:

[tiremonkey2000]

My brain hurts, learned too much at work today. :tired:

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Agreed....

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But I think that as long as we hold on to each other, the power of a community can perservere through whatever trouble it's faced with

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TODAY'S MYSTERY QUOTE

QUOTE: "If I can stop one heart from breaking, I shall
not live in vain."

HINT: Was an American poet. Though virtually unknown
in her lifetime, she has come to be regarded with Walt
Whitman as one of the two great American poets of the
19th century.

[mathmission]

Skunks can spray up to 4-7m (13-23 ft) in a favorable
wind-although they are usually only accurate for up to
about 2m (6.5ft).

[mathmission]

All skunks are largely carnivorous, with insects and
small mammals as major prey, but they also eat grubs,
birds' eggs and fruit seasonally.

[mathmission]

Litters commonly consist of 4 to 6 young, but may have
from 2 to 16.

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Most species of skunk forewarn predators by stamping
their front feet, raising their tail and walking stiff-
legged. Spotted skunks will occasionally bluff by hand-
standing without spraying. If that fails, they will
drop onto all fours and spray. The spray is aimed at
the face and causes intense irritation, even temporary
blindness, if it reaches the eyes.

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The pygmy spotted skunk is the smallest species of spotted
skunk, and one of the smallest species of Carnivora.
Spotted skunks are considered to be the most "weasel-like"
of the three skunk genera, due to their slender body set
on relatively thin legs, and their small, conical-shaped
head with a short muzzle.

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Before the 1950s, Skunks were sold under ambiguous names
such as "American sable" and "Alaskan sable".[2] The
courts finally ruled that the customer must be informed
of any purchase that contained skunk parts. The skunk
fur market subsequently collapsed. Since then, skunks
have been mainly bred as pets.

[mathmission]

QUOTE: "If I can stop one heart from breaking, I shall
not live in vain."

ANSWER: Emily Dickinson

[riscy]

Hi MM

[riscy]

Oh well, missed you again

[riscy]

I will try to catch you tomorrow

[riscy]

hasta manana

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TODAY'S MYSTERY QUOTE

QUOTE: "The future belongs to those who believe in the
beauty of their dreams."

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Regardless of the day of the week, Veterans Day is
observed on November 11.

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The date was chosen to commemorate World War I, which
ended on November 11, 1918.

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Veterans Day was established by Congress on June 4, 1926.

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The purpose of Veterans Day and Memorial Day are often
confused. Memorial Day is for honoring military personnel
who died in service to their country. Veterans Day is for
thanking ALL men and women who have served honorably in
the military during times of war and peace.

[mathmission]

There are currently about 25 million living veterans.
Over 48 million Americans have served in the military
during war and peace since 1776.

[mathmission]

The poppy is a small red flower that grows wild in the
fields of Europe - where many of those who died in World
War I are buried. Poppies have long been associated with
World War I memorials through the poem, "In Flanders Fields"
by Canadian Army physician John McCrae.

[mathmission]

QUOTE: "The future belongs to those who believe in the
beauty of their dreams."

ANSWER: Eleanor Roosevelt

[BakedDon]

Bush Proud That Elections Weren't Canceled "In Time Of War"

The Carpetbagger Report | November 13, 2006

I believe it's important that Americans appreciate the democratic process, but this seems to have “soft bigotry of low expectations” written all over it. From yesterday's presidential radio address:

One freedom that defines our way of life is the freedom to choose our leaders at the ballot box. We saw that freedom earlier this week, when millions of Americans went to the polls to cast their votes for a new Congress. Whatever your opinion of the outcome, all Americans can take pride in the example our democracy sets for the world by holding elections even in a time of war.” (emphasis added)

We should be “proud” that the federal government didn't cancel our elections? That the Bush administration didn't use the war as an excuse to interrupt the democratic process?

[BakedDon]

New Rulers of the World

A documentary film by John Pilger

'Global economy' is a modern Orwellian term. On the surface,
it is instant financial trading, mobile phones, McDonald's,
Starbucks, holidays booked on the net. Beneath this gloss,
it is the globalisation of poverty, a world where most human beings
never make a phone call and live on less than two dollars a day,
where 6,000 children die every day from diarrhea because most have
no access to clean water.
http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-7932485454526581006&hl=en

[BakedDon]

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=102815&MyToken=b45f72e5-8d36-474f-ab6b-5893dbdae9f7 Craig
Date: Nov 13 2006 10:25 AM






a href=http://www.ricksiegel.com/web/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=119 Link to video and page here
On September 7, 2006 the BBC showed a special anniversary program for the anniversary of 911 events. The show was called "911: The TwinTowers". The video is of great significance as you can see and hear the Tower being demolished and hear the sequence of charges.

The sound allegedly has not been enhanced in any way and is even distorted by the Google encoding yet sets itself in accord with the testimony of most eyewitness testimony. That includes testimony from the FDNY firefighters.

The building had 114 floors and took approximately 10 seconds to collapse. In this video fourteen explosions can be heard in a period of 5 seconds dispelling any belief in a "pancake theory".

While more and more evidence piles up and the floodgates are ready to burst one ponders what it will take for the people to finally get up and kick the people subverting the indictments into jail. Instead we note that they have now been promoted to higher positions of power/ they have passed more draconian laws stripping more freedoms and liberties in the belief that it will save us from the invisible enemy who cannot be killed.

If you or yours were murdered, would you not hope for a murder investigation? 3000 people died in NYC that day and there has not been one murder investigation, indictment or trial for any crime. Not one.

The government cover-up starts there. Indict the criminals



Shout This Story OUT!

Taken from http://www.ricksiegel.com/web/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=119 Rick Siegel.com

[mathmission]

I sincerely doubt that they would be able to get away with not holding an election, due to war time. I think, though there are certain things that seem worth investigating, that you put little faith in some of the values of the american people. We're not all blind as you sometimes seem to imply

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TODAY'S MYSTERY QUOTE

QUOTE: "Candor is the brightest gem of criticism."

HINT: Was an English statesman and literary figure. He
served in government for three decades, twice as Prime
Minister of the United Kingdom – the first and thus far
only person of Jewish parentage to do so.

[BakedDon]

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-5860825099435530591&hl=en

[mathmission]

A Russian dog named Laika was the first creature to fly
in space.

[mathmission]

French writer George Sand carried on an affair with
Frederic Chopin.

[mathmission]

The most expensive bottle of wine sold for $300,000. It
was a bottle of 1787 Chateau Lafitte claret engraved
with the initials of Thomas Jefferson.

[mathmission]

A rooster will attack anything that he thinks will harm
the hens ( that includes humans ). Their spurs (located at
the back of their leg ) can cause a very painful puncture
wound.

[mathmission]

Laid head to claw, KFC chickens consumed worldwide would
stretch some 275,094 miles. They would circle the Earth
at the equator 11 times or stretch from the Earth approx-
imately 50,094 miles past the moon.

[mathmission]

The Ameraucana and Araucana chickens can lay eggs colored
in shades of green or blue, depending on the breed and
it's ancestry.

[mathmission]

QUOTE: "Candor is the brightest gem of criticism."

ANSWER: Benjamin Disraeli

[BakedDon]

http://www.youtube.com/v/QTC8pqso4PI


LIES LIES LIES Ministry

[BakedDon]

Late-Night Jokes About the 2006 Midterm Elections

"The only Republican now with a mandate is Congressman Mark Foley." --Jay Leno

"This week, on Tuesday night, in an ironic turnaround, Iraq brought regime change to the U.S." --Amy Poehler

"President Bush held a news conference where he vowed to work with the new Democratic majority, which, if true, can mean only one thing: the Democrats have a nuclear bomb." --Amy Poehler

"What a day for the Democrats. They've won the House of Representatives, they are poised to take the Senate as well, Donald Rumsfeld has resigned, and this just in, Dick Cheney came out as gay." --Jon Stewart

"Even though the Republican lost big on Tuesday, they've been busy all day in Washington. They’ve been spending all day packing up their bribe money." –David Letterman

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Don't worry about Dennis. He's going to be the new before-guy for Jenny Craig." –David Letterman

"The new Speaker of the House is Nancy Pelosi. She had lunch today with President Bush, but the lunch honestly did not go well. She would not pass him anything he asked for." –David Letterman

"You know what GOP stands for? Going Out of Power." --Jay Leno

"It's ironic because Republicans always wanted to appeal to minorities. Now they are one." --Jay Leno

"It has not been a good week for the Republicans. This election was kind of like a bad divorce –- they got rejected, insulted, and lost the House." –Jay Leno

"Here in California, the voters overwhelmingly decided they do not want Arnold Schwarzenegger to ever make another movie." --Jay Leno

"There were many reports of problems with the voting machines yesterday, especially with touch-screen voting machines. In fact, in Congressman Mark Foley's district, some of the machines were touched inappropriately." --Conan O'Brien

"If the results hold up, George Allen will no longer be able to put the word senator in front of his name. He'll have to go back to his old title, 'Imperial wizard.' He was just two racial slurs away from winning." --Jay Leno

"Big, big win for the Democrats. Senator Hillary Clinton's overwhelming victory has fueled speculation that she will run for president in 2008. In other words, there was some good news for Republicans." --Conan O'Brien

"You know what really gets me, Democrats didn't even win this thing, the Republicans lost it. They ran away from the president. 'Hey, the ship's in trouble, quick, let's drown the captain!' We were this close to Jesus coming back. And you Republicans that turned your back on the president are going to wander in the desert for the next two years. Literally, someone's going to have to replace those troops in Iraq." --Stephen Colbert

Dan Rather, providing election an analysis on The Daily Show:
"She ran away with it like a hobo with a sweet potato pie." --on Hillary Clinton's Senate victory
"I'd say as ugly as a hog lagoon after a bachelor party." --on the Virginia Senate race
"If you ain't got the yolk, you can't emulsify the Hollandaise." --on why Rep. Don Sherwood, the Peruvian mistress wife-strangler, didn't win
"I realized pretty early on that I was just a four-dollar gopher in a two-dollar pelt." --on appearing on The Daily Show

"Midterm elections tomorrow. According to a new study, voters are more likely to vote for a candidate with good looks and charisma. If you want proof, just ask that stud Dennis Hastert." --Conan O'Brien

"Today in Florida, on the last day of campaigning, a Republican politician refused to appear in public with President Bush because the president is so unpopular. And it's worse than it sounds, because the politician was former Congressman Mark Foley." --Conan O'Brien

"They say they don't need to rely on any last minute surprises, since their Republican base is still very strong, very active, and they still have all the voting machines rigged." --Jimmy Kimmel

"Tomorrow is Election Day. You folks getting ready to vote? The only thing that can stop Democrats now is a last-minute joke from John Kerry." --David Letterman

"Democrats are favored to win most races. As a matter of fact, the only Republican in Washington whose seat is safe is Lincoln." --David Letterman

"During the election, do you know what Vice President Dick Cheney will be doing? He's going spend the day hunting at his lodge in South Dakota. That's the one place you want to be if the Republicans lose -- Cheney with a gun." --Jay Leno

"President Bush warned Democrats not to celebrate too early. This is from the guy who put up the 'Mission Accomplished' sign three years ago." --Jay Leno

"How about this John Kerry controversy? So he's out there in California, tells some kind of joke and it backfires. He's saying he botched the joke. ... This guy can lose elections he's not even in." --David Letterman

"Senator John Kerry gave his opponents in the struggling Republican Party a much needed distraction when he told a college audience on Monday that if you don't do well in school, you might get stuck in Iraq. Some people are taking that as a slam against our troops. Kerry says it was a botched joke about the president being dumb. It doesn't bode well when you try to make a joke about someone being dumb and you wind up looking even dumber." --Jimmy Kimmel

"It's interesting. The president's approval rating is at an all-time low, North Korea's setting off bombs, Iraq is a mess, the Foley scandal keeps getting worst. Even the Democrats might not be able to blow this election." --Jay Leno

"The election is three weeks away and there are rumors the Republicans are getting ready for an election night disaster, which would be a first -- a disaster they were actually prepared for." --Bill Maher

"Tuesday is Election Day. ... In California, Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger is so confident of being re-elected that he's groping women again." --David Letterman

"This is a bleak time for the Republican Party. You know you have trouble when the least embarrassing guy in your group is Arnold Schwarzenegger." --Jimmy Kimmel

[BakedDon]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4312730277175242198

Aaron Russo's America: Freedom to Fascism

[BakedDon]

Kill The Messenger see the trailer here http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-4402038493220020531&hl=en

[BakedDon]

Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment? * 379244 responses

Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial.
87%

No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching "high crimes and misdemeanors."
4.4%

No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching.
6.4%

I don't know.
1.9%
Not a scientific survey. Click to learn more. Results may not total 100% due to rounding.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904/

[BakedDon]

The lesser of two evils may have won in thee elections

but the dems are not doing anything different

she is not going to move for impeachment

They spent 100 million on Clintons bj investigation

DO you know how much they spent on the 9/11 investigation?

Less than half that

[BakedDon]

I sincerely doubt that they would be able to get away with not holding an election, due to war time. I think, though there are certain things that seem worth investigating, that you put little faith in some of the values of the american people. We're not all blind as you sometimes seem to imply

People are waking up and can see things

but I dont see anyone doing anything about it

there is a common belief that the system is corrupt

but no movement to clean it up

there are watch dogs

if they had an audience then the system would have to listen

But how do people like Joe Lieberman get reelected?

:howdy:

[BakedDon]

Missouri voter turnout tops 52 percent
An amendment granting a constitutional protection to conduct stem cell research - which narrowly passed
did you help this MM??

[BakedDon]

Originally Posted by mathmission
I sincerely doubt that they would be able to get away with not holding an election, due to war time.

Yet he seems to be implying that he help make it happen or in the future the elections could be postponed

like the next presidential election where Lord Bush may just wanna be the Prez for a few more years

[BakedDon]

http://www.epinet.org/content.cfm?id=2523

Dow's all-time high inconsequential for most Americans

By Sylvia Allegretto

Much attention was paid last week to the Dow Jones recovery to its prior peak level first reached in 2000. It is important to put this milestone into perspective for average working families. Fostered by the constant focus and widespread attention given to the performance of the stock market, conventional wisdom has it that everyone in the United States is heavily invested in the stock market. However, the data tell a different story.

The most recent triennial data from the Survey of Consumer Finances show that the historically increasing trend in the shares of all households owning any stock reversed course from just over half in 2001 (51.9%) to just under half in 2004 (48.6%)1—the first such decline on record (Figure A ). In 2004, only about a third of Americans had stock holdings valued at more than $5,000.



The distribution of stocks, by value, is highly tilted to the wealthiest Americans as shown in Figure B. In 2004, the wealthiest 1% owned 36.9% of all stocks, while the next 9% owned 41.9%. Hence, the wealthiest 10% controlled about 80% of all stocks while the bottom 90% owned just over 20%. Given the starkness and persistence of inequality in stock holdings, there is no reason to think those in the bottom 90% are doing any better today.



For the most part, lower-, middle-, and even upper-middle-income working-age households depend on their paychecks, not stock portfolios, to meet their everyday needs. Typical working families that own stock do so in retirement plans that are costly to turn into cash. Therefore, increasing stock value does little to help them make ends meet at a time when wages for most workers have been stagnant for several years now.

[BakedDon]

Some of the Ingredients Used To Make a Vaccine:


Ethylene glycol (antifreeze)

Phenol also known as carbolic acid (this is used as a disinfectant & dye)

Formaldehyde a known cancer causing agent

Aluminum which is associated with Alzheimer's disease and seizures also cancer producing in laboratory mice (it is used as an additive to promote antibody response)

Thimerosal (used as a mercury disinfectant/ preservative) can result in brain injury and autoimmune disease.

Neomycin, Streptomycin (used as antibiotic) have caused allergic reaction in some people

These vaccines are also grown and strained thru animal or human tissue like monkey kidney tissue, chicken embryo, embryonic guinea pig cells, calf serum, human diploid cells (the dissected organs of aborted human fetuses as in the case of rubella, hepatitis A, and chickenpox vaccines).
Click here to watch a news clip where they say Mercury in vaccines is good for you.---K-Eye Report: Mercury Is Good For Your Children

[BakedDon]

First US Newspaper Calls For Complete Independant Council of 9-11

9/11 Blogger | November 12, 2006

Kenkneeb, says that a November 11th editorial brings "breaking, awesome, hope-filled news". Let's hope this is the first of many editorials callling for a real investigation into the events of 9/11, followed by criminal prosecutions.

UPDATE: Now verified; online here:
http://www.dailytidings.com/2006/1111/stories/1111_editorial.php

Here's the editorial:

"In honor or our veterans, we call for truth

Anniversaries cause us to instinctively pause and reflect, just as our leg
jolts forward after a well-positioned tap on the knee. In honor of our
veterans – to whom we owe a debt we can never repay – the least we can
do on this Veteran's Day is look back at the decisions made that sent our
troops into battle, and the roles we played in those decisions. Perhaps
upon reflection, our reaction may change.

The fifth anniversary of Sept. 11, 2001 served as the reflex hammer touch
to the knee of American conscience. As the country attended memorials and
revisited painful memories of 9/11, the reflection also opened our
collective mind once again to the many unanswered questions, legitimate
concerns and conflicting evidence in the official description of those
events.

For us at the Daily Tidings the event served to open discussion among us
about this complex subject, about the conspiracy theories that abound in
Internet chats, blogs and so-called investigative reports and most
importantly, the questions regarding the media's role in this ongoing
issue.

A month later we have found very little we all agree on. We especially
disagree on the role of the media. Since the Tidings doesn't cover New
York City, Washington, D.C., or the federal government, the ambiguity is
shaded with absolution.

Nevertheless we are each members of the fourth estate, an essential
conglomeration of individuals who adhere to professional guidelines, and
who care passionately about this demanding and often thankless opus. With
that membership – we can all agree on some level – comes a
responsibility to giving the public the accuracte information it needs to
make informed decisions. Thus, somewhere in all the banter, we stumbled
on one thing we at the Tidings' truly can agree on.

Apparently, we are not alone. Based on the results of this hallmark 2006
election, the American people are finally asking for change. They don't
like our involvement in Iraq. They voted out many members of the party
that put us there. Perhaps they are also ready to question the events and
decisions that put us there as well. Perhaps they are ready to ask what
really happened on Sept. 11.

We think so. And we call on our colleagues to join us in asking
questions.

Every single American daily newspaper must demand of our congressional
leaders and those in the executive branch that an independant council be
formed to completely and thoroughly investigate the deaths of nearly 3,000
American citizens in the attack of 9/11 – an attack that took place on
American soil.

Forget the conspiracy theories for a minute and set aside the political
gamesmanship. We are a country that spent five years and $100 million
investigating President Clinton. We probed the depths of the Iran-Contra
scandal – a debacle that would have never come fully into the public eye
had a special investigator not been appointed.

This administration has spent far more energy and time seeking the leak of
Valerie Plame's identity and Barry Bonds' use of steroids than it has
in fully explaining how three skyscrapers crumbled in an instant and
nearly 3,000 people were killed. While an independent investigation may
never fully answer every question, it will help to heal the wounds of this
nation and widespread distrust of our leaders this atack has caused.

This historic tragedy ranks among the worst days in American history. We
owe it to every American – but especially those who do battle on our
behalf at the behest of our leaders – to spare no expense and allow no
party loyalty to dissuade us. The government works for us. If it failed
us, either in malfeasance or incompetence, then we must know that. If our
current actions around the world are shaped by misinformation, we must know
that too. Finally, if what we now believe to be true is only further
proven, we would do well to hear the evidence that confirms it. If the
government's version of the events of that day are absolutely true, then
scrutiny will amplify that truth and lay to rest the skepticism that
remains to this day.

If, however, the questions that remain serve to shed light on new
information, that too serves the public. And it is the responsibility of
this trusted media industry to dig, probe, investigate and uncover the
truth behind government events and decisions that impact the public. On
this Veterans Day, we can do no less on behalf of the brave men and women
who have been sent to the Middle East based on rationale that stems
directly from the events of 9/11. While we pay homage to all veterans of
the Armed Forces today, we are reminded of our duty to watch closely those
leaders in the White House and Congress who make the decisions to send our
troops to war.

We invite every single American daily newspaper to join us in our demand
for an independent council to completely and thoroughly investigate the
deaths of nearly 3,000 American citizens in the attacks of 9/11.

America will be better informed, and this is our job.”

[BakedDon]

Conyers Toes Party Line: No Impeachment
Something Is Extremely 'Rotten In The State Of Denmark'

Infowars.net | November 10, 2006
Steve Watson

The latest Democrat "saviour" to flip flop 180 degrees in light of their victory is Rep. John Conyers , D-Mich. Presumed to become chairman of the House Judiciary Committee in January, Conyers today said that impeachment of President Bush "is off the table."

"In this campaign, there was an orchestrated right-wing effort to distort my position on impeachment," Conyers said in a statement released by his Judiciary Committee spokesman. "The incoming speaker (Rep. Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif.) has said that impeachment is off the table. I am in total agreement with her on this issue: Impeachment is off the table."

Conyers seems to have forgotten that last December he laid out the grounds for impeachment in a 350 page long report called " The Constitution in Crisis : The Downing Street Minutes and Deception, Manipulation, Torture, Retribution and Cover-ups in the Iraq War" and later updated to add "illegal domestic surveillance."

For a while Conyers was the darling of left leaning bloggers and readers everywhere:

At this site, we are especially proud of the new Conyers Report, "The Constitution in Crisis." By purchasing this book, you have the opportunity to own a part of history and help the Congressman hold the Bush Administration accountable. Your assistance in helping Congressman Conyers become the next Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee will bring us one step closer to getting the American people the answers from this Administration that they deserve.
- www.afterdowningstreet.org

Conyers is so admirable. One of the very few in Congress who still has integrity and principles. It is too bad that he does not get more MSM coverage but why would they do that? He might upset the Republican and Corporate plans for total control and could expose their nefarious doings.
He is risking much by not following the official DNC program too, in addition to challenging the Bushies.
- Huffington Post

In december 2005, upon release of the report, Conyers stated :

The Report concludes that a number of these actions amount to prima facie evidence (evidence sufficiently strong to presume the allegations are true) that federal criminal laws have been violated. Legal violations span from false statements to Congress to whistleblower laws... The Report also concludes that these charges clearly rise to the level of impeachable conduct... In response to the Report, I have already taken a number of actions. First, I have introduced a resolution (H. Res. 635) creating a Select Committee with subpoena authority to investigate the misconduct of the Bush Administration with regard to the Iraq war and report on possible impeachable offenses.

So Conyers was already underway with setting up investigations into impeachable offences, but now he says that impeachment is off the table? Clearly he has been given orders to toe the party line or face the consequences.

Despite the fact that 86% want to see the President impeached , leading Democrats have already ruled this out. The same leading Democrats that voted for the war in Afghanistan, for the Patriot Act, for Homeland Security and against a bill that simply condemned torture of prisoners in Iraq.



After Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean , Conyers is the latest Democrat to show us their true colours once in power.

Conyers and the other Democrats highlight precisely why we need to regroup, consolidate and redouble our efforts in light of the theatrical shift of power in Washington to the left. Because as soon as this happened, overnight, the truth movement lost a great deal of support from those that believe the job is now done.

Taking note of many reader comments over the past few days I have noticed a startling uprise in the amount of negative and dismissive feedback from some readers. Evidently those who expected us to be out dancing in the streets at the news of a Democrat landslide in Washington have been bitterly disappointed.

We have never once suggested that the solution to a corrupt and fascist Neocon leadership is a passive and capitulating Democrat sideshow leadership, so why is it any surprise that we are continuing on the same course as before?

Comments such as the following emphasize my point:

"You can only have it one way. What the hell is up with you people. The whole time the Bush regime was in power you begged for change. Now you have it, but your still complaining."

Yes we are seeking change, but not a simple change of personnel as we have witnessed this week. As we reported yesterday "There's no doubt about it, to see frothing Neo-Cons who have been strutting around like John Wayne for the past five years finally eat humble pie is a breath of fresh air, but let's not be so deluded as to think that the Neo-Con agenda, which took decades to craft, was simply brushed aside by the victory of a party that has supported Bush every step of the way on major issues."

Seeing Bush on TV admitting he'd took a hell of a beating was great, for about five minutes, then he started laughing and joking about it and talking about pushing forward to work closely with a new crowd.



Is rolling over and going back to sleep going to get Bush impeached? Should we shut down the websites now and go save the whales or something else we'd all love to be doing if we didn't have to relentlessly keep fighting to stop our leaders killing our freedoms?

Within hours the Democratic elite have shown us that they don't give a damn about holding the Bush administration up to scrutiny. With no effective opposition in the form of a political party it is up to the people to continue to demand justice and to continue to attempt to reign in those who have heinously abused their power.

Thomas Jefferson described Congress as "a body to which the people send one hundred and fifty lawyers, whose trade it is to question everything and yield nothing."

In light of this how can any representative say something like impeachment is 'off the table?'

[BakedDon]

Congressman: American Concentration Camps "On The Books"
Texas Representative urges repeal of neo-fascist laws in America before it is too late

Steve Watson
Infowars.net
Monday, November 13, 2006

Re-elected Texas Republican Congressman Ron Paul joined Alex Jones on air last week to discuss the fallout of the midterm elections and what he sees transpiring over the next two years. He ended by ominously warning that if something is not done soon to overturn legislation such as the Military Commissions act, the law officially allows for citizen concentration camp facilities.

Beginning with the positives to come out of the election, Ron Paul stressed that it has provided an important indication to the rest of the world that the people of America are unhappy with the usurpers that have seized control of their government and are trying to initiate change. The Congressman was quick to point out that this may not be carried into policy however:

"Not a whole lot will change because the leadership on the Democratic side, even if they had their way, don't have a different foreign policy. They have been supportive of an interventionist foreign policy in the middle east, and they are not about to back away from that... They are willing to criticize the policy but only as a means to get power."

As we have seen over the past week, leading Democrats are all towing the party line, unreservedly dismissing any notion of the possibility of impeaching the President over Iraq.

The Congressman also stated that monetary policy will stay the same, which can only mean bad news for the American economy.

" They all believe in the federal reserve, they are not going to get rid of the IRS and the income tax. I think the dollar is going to keep sliding, which means prices are going to rise, when currencies self destruct, the end goes quickly. There are no signs that there is anything being done in Washington to correct the problem. Spending is going to continue and probably going to get worse, the deficits are going to stay high if foreign policy is not going to change."

The Congressman agreed that the elite globalists within the US government may not care about this too much because it means they can blow out the economy and then come back and buy it up very cheaply. These Internationalists care not about preserving and protecting American sovereignty when there is a quick buck to be made.

"That's also part of the foreign policy to be in position to hold onto natural resources, that's one of the major reasons why we're in the middle east, so yes if there is a financial crisis, they're going to have the guns, and they have control of the natural resources... It's not a good scenario, because what usually happens when you wipe out a currency is that you wipe out the middle class, and we already see this happening. The standard of living is going down." Paul asserted.



Ron Paul's comments echo those of Former World Bank Vice President, Chief Economist and Nobel Prize winner Joseph Stiglitz, who two weeks ago predicted a global economic crash within 24 months - unless the current downturn is successfully managed. Asked if the situation was being properly handled Stiglitz emphatically responded "no," and also drew ominous parallels to the development of the NAFTA Superhighway and the North American Union.

What real Conservatism there was left in the House, to block such moves, as well as Bush's amnesty program for illegals, is gone. With Pelosi at the helm Ron Paul sees it as a forgone conclusion that such policies will sail through.

"I think that's right, although I complain about the two parties being exactly alike, I would say on this amnesty issue and what's happened with the election, there probably was a difference between the two. It is more likely with the Democrats in charge, and Judiciary and the other major committees, and with the President not really fighting for our national borders, he's always argued for some type of worker program, yes I think there's a much greater danger that that is going to be coming in the next session."

Commenting on strategies to defeat the North American Union, the Congressman urged a continuance of educating people on the real issues and reaching more and more Americans who care about preserving their national sovereignty:

"You have to keep doing what you are doing, you are reaching a lot of people, and they have to get to their members of congress, and in many ways the current House has been pretty good with this. With the new House we don't know exactly what is going to happen, but I had something very encouraging come to my attention just this week. I had a call from a young lady that won in Kansas as a Democrat, and in her literature she put my whole article on the NAFTA super corridor in there... She is not going to vote with Nancy Pelosi."



Finally, and perhaps most importantly, The Congressman spoke on the issue of going about demanding a repeal of freedom crushing legislation such as the Patriot act and the Military Commissions act and the Defense Authorization Act which essentially wipes out Habeas Corpus.

"We might have to hope that our Supreme Court helps us out a little. The Court has been better than the executive branch and a heck of a lot better than the Congress, because we've given the President everything he's asked for and the President has been begging for all this authority, so immediately we have to hope that the courts will save us on some of these things. But once again ultimately its only when the people wake up and say they don't like this... sometimes the people wake up to late. Right now we don't have concentration camps, but like you have pointed out, the authority has been given so that concentration camps can come without Habeas Corpus . I have heard the argument that there is nothing else left in the Bill of Rights. If they can lock you up, what good is freedom of speech or what good is a gun? That is now part of the books, part of the law."

Take Ron Paul's suggestion up and contact your new or re-elected members and demand a move to repeal legislation paving the way for fascist government control in America today.

[mathmission]

Missouri voter turnout tops 52 percent
An amendment granting a constitutional protection to conduct stem cell research - which narrowly passed
did you help this MM??
I did support this. I supported most everything that was on the ballot, including a ban on smoking in public restaurants. Since I don't smoke, I saw it as nothing more than a revenue generator. I had an entirely difficult time voting democratic in the state of Missouri, mainly because Clair is an idiot. Her campaign was terrible, and her positions seemed to bank on the "Bush Haters," rather than honest platforms.

Of course, Jim Talent...no way I would have voted for him. And it's not because he is a republican. It's because he is against women's right to choose, and stem cell research (though he tried to twist it and say that he was for a certain type.)

[BakedDon]

Awesome glad to see you got involved and voted.

It was hard to vote dem here too cause granholm and stabanow had thier chance and are doing terrible. I had to vote stabanow though cause she was running against a nazi sheriff who said he is "against everything already illegal"
he wrote a law that passed around here - If you are in an accident, you can be blood tested. I voted libertarian on everything else because I have given up on the false left right paradigm.

[BakedDon]

The dow may be doing well but its starting to feel like the third world country around here.

[BakedDon]

Police Kill Three Students During Riot in Sichuan, China

The Epoch Times
Sunday, November 12, 2006

CHINA—On November 11, a major riot broke out in Guangan City in Sichuan Province. According to the source, three high school students were shot to death, and one policeman was killed.

It was also reported that a police vehicle was burned. Currently, Guangan is under martial law and Internet access is blocked.

According to one local resident, the conflict was triggered by the death of a 4-year-old child from the countryside near Guangan City. On November 7, the child was sent to the Guangan City Second People's Hospital for emergency rescue because he accidentally ingested a pesticide. The hospital refused to pump the child's stomach because the family did not have enough cash (800 yuan, or US$100). The family promised to go back home and get more money, but the hospital was not dissuaded and the child died. Later, the hospital refused to pay, as required by law, compensation to the family for the death.

On November 10, the child's mother went to the Guangan City government office to appeal her grievance, but was beaten by the security. Several high school students from the local Youyi High School witnessed the beating and had a conflict with a government official when they came up to stop the beating. That same night, because the students did not receive a response concerning the child's death, they rushed into the hospital and smashed some of the doors and windows, which triggered a crack down by armed police.

A local resident witnessed that a police vehicle was burned and that police kicked and broke the ankle of a female student around 3 a.m. on November 11.

A Guangan City government official, who wanted to remain anonymous, told a journalist that currently, three students and one policeman were dead, and over 20 students and civilians had been arrested.

Regarding the incident, an official from Guangan Municipal Party Committee Office told the journalist, "We have nothing to say." A Guangan City Public Security Bureau official told the journalist, "Currently, [this incident is] under investigation, cannot disclose information to others."

According to a local resident, the Guangan City Second People's Hospital has ties with some city officials, and people believe this is the reason that the death of the 4-year-old was not resolved for three days. They also believe that this is the reason the government did not respond to the students' request, which caused the conflict to escalate.

Currently, Guangan and the surrounding area have been placed under martial law. Sources claim this is because there is a shortage of police in the area. The government has already mobilized armed police from nearby Nanchong City. Guangan's Mayor has already flown to Beijing to report on the incident.

A journalist from another area could not enter into Guangan, and all Internet service in the city has been blocked. Local residents are worried another conflict could happen.

[mathmission]

I was going to do something similar, but ended up just going Dem. The problem is that politicians, regardless of party, don't do jack! They work for 100 days of the year, and they decide what affects us each and every day. And some of them can not even vote, as if it's a choice. I think that if they are to represent us, they are required to vote..

[mathmission]

Anyway, going to have some good burgers tonight. Go to Wikipedia (www.wikipedia.org) and look up Booches. It's a burger place here in town. On the top 10 list of best american burgers of all time!

[The_Amber]

I went to Applebee's Saturday and had their bruschetta burger and OMG it was so frigging good, and they did these fries that they shake in this shaker with olive oil and seasons and they were delicious also. I am so spoiled!

[tiremonkey2000]

Dam what a tough week last week was including the weekend

[tiremonkey2000]

My brain hurts still from learning all the new stuff in the office

[tiremonkey2000]

The weekend was tough because i had a 3 1/2 hour ride to northern florida with the wife and parents in law to visit my stepson and we had a tire blow out doing 75 miles an hour.

[tiremonkey2000]

Now that was scarey and it made our trip an hour longer.

[tiremonkey2000]

We left at 6 am sat. morning and got there at 10:30 am.

[tiremonkey2000]

Stayed until 3 pm. and got home at 7 pm. because we stopped for dinner.

[tiremonkey2000]

Then my wife let me sleep until 1 pm. sunday afternoon which made my lazy all day

[BakedDon]

I was going to do something similar, but ended up just going Dem. The problem is that politicians, regardless of party, don't do jack! They work for 100 days of the year, and they decide what affects us each and every day. And some of them can not even vote, as if it's a choice. I think that if they are to represent us, they are required to vote..
Yea your right


I saw a libertarian in congress that wont vote on anything in protest to all the stuff against the constitution. Like that helps. :lol:

[BakedDon]

http://www.supportthetruth.com/hill.php

George Bush Admits Demolitions?

Since they can no longer deny explosives in the building, they're trying to set up a shift in tactics that says "okay, there were explosives but it was Al-Queda that put them there."

http://www.supportthetruth.com/audio/Craig_Hill___Bush_0915_1x60_Version_2.mp3

[BakedDon]

this is a green party candidates commercial
Did you hear the speak in which

George Bush Admits 9/11 Demo ??? (http://www.supportthetruth.com/audio/Craig_Hill___Bush_0915_1x60_Version_2.mp3)

Twin Towers security until 9/11/2001 Marvin Bush - Barb Bush

http://www.supportthetruth.com/audio/Craig_Hill___Bush_0915_1x60_Version_2.mp3





http://www.supportthetruth.com/hill.php

[BakedDon]

George Bush Admits 9/11 Demo ??? (http://www.supportthetruth.com/audio/Craig_Hill___Bush_0915_1x60_Version_2.mp3)

[BakedDon]

save target as to keep it /\

[BakedDon]

First Steven Jones PHd was crazy for finding thermites signature in samples from ground zero. Now they admit the buildings were leveled with exposions
WTF
George Bush Admits 9/11 Demo ??? (http://www.supportthetruth.com/audio/Craig_Hill___Bush_0915_1x60_Version_2.mp3)

[BakedDon]

http://www.supportthetruth.com/audio/Craig_Hill___Bush_0915_1x60_Version_2.mp3

[ThumperZ1]

Time to update my Grid.org stats...... As Of My Post 4186
New:
Total CPU Time (y:d:h:m:s) (Rank) 6:138:05:46:38 (# 10,812)
Points Generated (Rank) 1,781,616 (#4,353)
Results Returned (Rank) 6,375 (#7,705)


Old:
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Results Returned (Rank) 6,335 (#7,754)

[ThumperZ1]

Winamp has graciously chosen Freebird to serenade me this afternoon.

[ThumperZ1]

Hmmmmm... it's Patch Tuesday from Microsoft. There are 6 total.

[ThumperZ1]

Have you been watching Heroes on NBC? IT's getting good. One of my favorites this year, along with Torchwood, House and Robin Hood.

[ThumperZ1]

Torchwood and Robin Hood are Briitish shows that I have to download on the weekend to watch.

[ThumperZ1]

As a spinoff of Dr Who, Captain Jack Harkness and his fellow workers do what Torchwood was made to do, hunt down alien life, and if possible, use their technology.

[ThumperZ1]

Very good show... I recommend it... There have been 5 episodes so far.

[ThumperZ1]

Rainbow In The Dark - Ronnie James Dio (BABBAAY!!

[ThumperZ1]

You Ain't Seen Nothing Yet - Bachman Turner Overdrive

[ThumperZ1]

Hmmmm, let's see if i can get to 4200 before the bosses get back.

[ThumperZ1]

Only 8 more days til Thanxgiving... Turkey.....mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[ThumperZ1]

Double Shot of My Baby's Love - The Swingin' Medallions (whatever could they be singing about??)

[ThumperZ1]

4pm or 1600 hours and all is well.

[ThumperZ1]

He Ain't Heavy, He's my Brother - The Hollies

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Almost at 4200!

[ThumperZ1]

4200 posts!!!! :cheers: :pcheerlea :yourock: :clap1: :spudnikbo :dance: :sun: :Pimp: :dotdance: :7up: :utcrocks:

[mathmission]

Yeah, just another hour and it's time to go home!

[ThumperZ1]

Howdy mathmission!!! long time no chat!

[ThumperZ1]

How's the movie business? Anything fresh creatively?

[mathmission]

CONGRATS Thumper!

[ThumperZ1]

Mostly the same ol' stuff around here.

[ThumperZ1]

Boy Named Sue - Johnny Cash

[ThumperZ1]

Thanx mm.

[mathmission]

How's the movie business? Anything fresh creatively?
Working on at the moment, just started. Early page count...

Here's the plot, so far:

Man and woman meet up for first time in a hotel complex and fall in love. The woman who is there actually visits the same room very often, as it was the room she went to as a young girl after her mother was abused by her drunken husband.

The man of the story meets her on a visit to his father, who owns the hotel complex. I'm not sure what I'm going to have them do just yet

[ThumperZ1]

The US is changing it's days for Daylight Savings time. Microsoft will be downloading a patch for the change. It's gonna get here a couple of weeks early and end a couple of days later.

[mathmission]

TODAY'S MYSTERY QUOTE

QUOTE: "A happy family is but an earlier heaven."

HINT: (October 17, 1792 - November 23, 1872) was an
English political economist, traveller, miscellaneous
writer and polyglot, and the 4th Governor of Hong Kong.

[mathmission]

The US is changing it's days for Daylight Savings time. Microsoft will be downloading a patch for the change. It's gonna get here a couple of weeks early and end a couple of days later.
thanks for the update. I have the opportunity to upgrade to Vista when it comes out, for free. Should I take this opportunity?

[mathmission]

Today, November 14th is Children's day in India.

[mathmission]

In 1971 - Mariner 9 reached Mars, becoming the first
spacecraft to orbit another planet.

[ThumperZ1]

Sounds interesting.... I hope to see if when you get it all ready.

[mathmission]

In 1990 - Germany and Poland sign a treaty confirming
their border at the Oder-Neisse line.

[mathmission]

Sounds interesting.... I hope to see if when you get it all ready.
well, who knows if it'll ever be produced. But I can always share the script when it's finished

[ThumperZ1]

If you can upgrade to Vista, don't turn it down.....However...... if you can get it and install it later, that would be better.

[mathmission]

Dentists have recommended that a toothbrush be kept at
least 6 feet (2 m) away from a toilet to avoid airborne
particles resulting from the flush.

[mathmission]

American chocolate manufacturers use about 1.5 billion
pounds of milk -- only surpassed by the cheese and ice
cream industries.

[mathmission]

If you can upgrade to Vista, don't turn it down.....However...... if you can get it and install it later, that would be better.
What I think it'll be, is a CD that I can just get and do the upgrade that way. Any reason as to why the wait... problems?

[ThumperZ1]

Coool... I'd love to read it when it's ready. hhnmmmmmmmmmmm... maybe a new career as script editor or something... LOL

[mathmission]

Coool... I'd love to read it when it's ready. hhnmmmmmmmmmmm... maybe a new career as script editor or something... LOL
Well, I do need people to bounce ideas off of!

[ThumperZ1]

It is always best to do a clean install instead of an update. Also, you have to make sure you have the drivers and hardware to run Vista.

[mathmission]

A father Emperor penguin withstands the Antarctic cold
for 60 days or more to protect his eggs, which he keeps
on his feet, covered with a feathered flap.

[mathmission]

It is always best to do a clean install instead of an update. Also, you have to make sure you have the drivers and hardware to run Vista.
Well, I will have a 2gig dual core processor, but I'm not sure what kind of video I have, almost positive it's onboard. 512RAM.

[mathmission]

QUOTE: " A happy family is but an earlier heaven."

ANSWER: Sir John Bowring

[mathmission]

And... the Vista thing... I'm sure it will be an upgrade thing, and not the wipe clean sort of thing.

[ThumperZ1]

Recommended requirements for Vista.....

Ram 1gb (512 will work, but will be slow)

Video Card 256 meg DirectX 9 compatible (less will work, but you will not be able to use all the fancy smancy desktop looks)

3ghz processor (absolute minimum is 1.5ghz, it things creep along)

I was using a 1.5 ghz with 64 mb of vid ram with a gig a ram and it would lock up.

[ThumperZ1]

Vista upgrade also depends upon which version of XP you have. My 64bit version doesn't have an upgrade path...There are 5 different versions of Vista.

[mathmission]

So will a dual core 2.0 be safe? As for video, I'd have to consult the guy that built the comptuer for me. Not sure what video capibilities it has. I doubt the requirement. Plus, I'm needing to get more RAM anyway. Is it better to just buy a gig, or get another 512? and work with both?

[mathmission]

I have a licensed copy through University of Illinois Urbana Champaign. I believe it's XP Professional

[ThumperZ1]

Home Basic... which is for people who only email and surf the web...
Home Premium.... kinda like XP Pro but with limits.

Business... for business... lots of security

Enterprise... more security...

Ultimate. Has all the versions... media center and all.
They all cost different amounts. Ulitimate is like $399 or so

[mathmission]

And does MS see this as a problem. I doubt most people are going to have the requirements to upgrade. Most people are going to have to purchase new machines.

[mathmission]

Not sure what the upgrade is going to be, but I'm going to guess that it'll be the basic upgrade.

[ThumperZ1]

The dual core should work fine... find out about the video, and the more ram you have, the more efficient Vista will run...

[ThumperZ1]

Buying new hardware is what new operating systems is all about.

If you bought a "good" machine in the last couple of years, is should work... If you bought "cheap" or low end.. then you will be better off buying new.

[ThumperZ1]

Van Halen - Beautiful Girls

[ThumperZ1]

IF you don't want to mess with the Aero glass desktop (transparent icons and stuff) you can get by with 64 - 128 meg of video ram... IT looks coool, but it's just eyecandy.

[ThumperZ1]

Also, if you are a gamer, MS says Vista will run games 10-15% slower than XP because it has to load the 3D desktop everytime.

[mathmission]

Well, Im not a gamer, so that doesn't really matter. But let me check up on the video ram, and I'll get back to you

[mathmission]

Is there a way to turn off the "glass background."

[ThumperZ1]

Also things look and feel different with Vista. http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/ a few pix...

[ThumperZ1]

Yes there is... using the "classic" mode just like XP, where you turn off all effects.

[ThumperZ1]

Here's the page that shows the difference between the versions.

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsvista/getready/editions/default.mspx

[ThumperZ1]

"'scuse me while I kiss the sky"

[ThumperZ1]

bosses are back... later...

[mathmission]

True true. Well, I think I'll be fine outside of teh video and the RAM, which I can improve.

[mathmission]

bosses are back... later...
Okie my friend, I'll let you know what I have in terms of video.

[mathmission]

Just posting another one!

[riscy]

Hi there

[mathmission]

Hey Riscy. Hope you're doing well today

[riscy]

Yeah, almost the end of the day now

[riscy]

Just replying to a few posts - lots going on here recently - good stuff!!

[riscy]

I never see Carrie, but pick up on her posts when I pop in

[mathmission]

Just replying to a few posts - lots going on here recently - good stuff!!
Well that's good to hear. I've been having a pretty decent day. Still trying to solve this video problem, but might have found a solution

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I never see Carrie, but pick up on her posts when I pop in
Yeah, she usually gets on a bit later here, probably around 4 or 5 am your time.

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Had a good chat with Thumper yesterday about MS Vista, and whether I should upgrade. Sounds like everyone is saying that I should wait for a clean install, rather than update, and that I should wait for Service Pack 1

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Well, time to get some writing done. I'll catch you later, Riscy :hello:

[riscy]

See you MM

[The_Amber]

so am I too late?

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Not sure, you still there?

[The_Amber]

Yep

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Well then, you're not too late! :hello:

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How are you this afternoon?

[The_Amber]

I'm ready to be off work.

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Likewise. Going to a movie this evening called Jesus Camp. Should be a decent film. I've been looking forward to it.

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Well, time for me to head out. Have a good night Amber!

[BakedDon]

Meet the New Boss

Same as the Old Boss

The Who

[BakedDon]

Won't Get Fooled Again

Yea Right

[BakedDon]

Michael Chertoff, a "de jure" Israeli citizen, was sworn in as the second Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security

[BakedDon]

Michael Chertoff, the new head of the Department of Homeland Security, was approved in a 98-0 vote in the U.S. Senate without the question of his Israeli roots – and nationality – even being raised.

On February 15, 2005, Michael Chertoff, an apparent dual national with Israeli roots, was sworn in as the second Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security (DHS). The new "homeland security czar," who oversees the U.S. Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services, seems to be hiding his own dual-national status – with the cooperation of the controlled press.

Although the media scrutinized Bernard Kerik, President George W. Bush's first choice to head DHS, and uncovered embarrassing details about his mother, there was no discussion of Chertoff's mother, who played a noteworthy role in the creation of the Zionist state in Palestine.

The omission of Chertoff's mother's Zionist past suggests that there is an effort by the media to conceal his ties to Israel and his status as a "de jure" Israeli national, by birth.

Under Israeli law, a child born to an Israeli citizen, including children born outside of Israel as first generation out of Israel, is considered an Israeli citizen. The child remains an Israeli national until he or she formally renounces their Israeli nationality.

Chertoff was born on November 28, 1953 in Elizabeth, New Jersey, to the New York-born Rabbi Gershon Baruch Chertoff and Livia Eisen, the first hostess for El Al, Israel's state-owned airlines, founded in 1948.

SON OF A RABBI

"The son of a rabbi," The Star-Ledger of Newark, New Jersey, reported on February 16, "Chertoff was born in Elizabeth, graduated from Harvard University in 1975, and received his law degree from Harvard Law School in 1978."

The Star-Ledger, Chertoff's hometown newspaper, however, seems to have omitted mentioning his mother to avoid discussing that Livia [Eisen] Chertoff lived and worked in Israel and was apparently an Israeli national.

The Star-Ledger is well aware of Livia's Israeli roots. Six years ago, in her obituary of December 21, 1998, the paper reported her role in the founding of Israel. "She [Livia Chertoff] was the first airline hostess for El Al airlines and participated in Operation Magic Carpet, the famous airlift of Yemenite Jews to Israel," it reported.

Even in 1998, however, The Star-Ledger was vague about Livia's nationality. "Born in Poland, Mrs. Chertoff lived in Palestine and Elizabeth before moving to Florida several years ago," it wrote.

Israel's citizenship law of 1952 says: "Any Jew who immigrated to Israel before July 14, 1952, was granted citizenship after declaring a desire to reside permanently in Israel." As El Al's first hostess, Livia probably held Israeli citizenship.

Furthermore, a "child born on or after July 14, 1952," is an Israeli citizen if "at least one of whose parents is a citizen of Israel, regardless of the child’s country of birth."

EVASIVE ANSWERS

Secretary Chertoff was evasive when American Free Press asked about his mother's nationality, which if Israeli, would make him an Israeli national.

A "national" is defined as a citizen of a particular nation, while formal citizenship status confers specific rights, duties, and privileges on the citizen.

Asked about the status of Chertoff's mother's nationality, DHS spokesman Brian Roehrkasse provided an evasive answer: "He does not hold, nor has he ever held, dual citizenship."

"While his mother did reside in Israel, he [Chertoff] does not believe she ever held Israeli citizenship," Roehrkasse said. She resided there during the British mandate period (prior to the creation of the state of Israel), later lived in the UK, and he believes she may have held British citizenship at the time she worked for El Al."

Livia reportedly participated in Operation Magic Carpet, the top-secret airlift of some 45,000 Yemenite Jews to Israel from June 1949 to September 1950. Livia's connection with El Al and the secret airlift operations run by Israeli intelligence, indicate she was involved with Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad.

Operation Magic Carpet was so secret it wasn't even revealed to the press until months after the last of the 380 flights from Yemen had arrived in Israel in late 1950.

Chertoff's children have attended Jewish private schools, and his wife, Meryl Justin, was a co-chair of the regional Anti-Defamation League's (ADL) civil rights committee.

Chertoff is secretive about his childhood, perhaps to avoid discussing the intense Talmudic and Zionist upbringing he received in a family in which all the men were rabbis and scholars of the Talmud.

"My childhood was...average...Nothing stands out. It all kind of blends into the murky past," he told The Star Ledger in March 2001. Pressed for more details, Chertoff "reclined in his chair" and said, "I'll take the Fifth."

Michael's father, Gershon, was the first child of Paul Chertoff from Russia, and Esther Barish, from "Roumania," according to the 1930 U.S. Census. Gershon graduated as a teacher of the Talmud at age 20, in May 1935.

In 1930, the immigrant couple lived in a $90 rented apartment in Brooklyn and had three children, Gershon, Naomi, and Mordecai. Imbued in the Talmud, the Chertoff children became ardent Zionists.

Chertoff's father, Gershon, was a rabbi and teacher of the Talmud, as was his uncle Mordecai. Their father, Paul, was a "teacher" of the Talmud at the Jewish Institute (yeshiva) in New York. When the elder Chertoff died in 1966, he was described as an "Ex-professor of Talmud" in the New York Times.

Naomi also studied the Talmud and was serving her fourth term as national president of the Young Women's Zionist Organization of America when she married in 1946. Naomi had attended Hebrew University in Palestine before Israel became a state on May 16, 1948.

While there are published reports of Chertoff family weddings in New York and London there are no reports in the New York press about the marriage of Chertoff's mother and father.

Because Livia came from Israel and worked for the state owned airlines, it seems probable they were married in Israel.

Given his mother's role in the founding of the Israeli state and the intense Zionist character of his family, it seems likely that Chertoff spent time in Israel as a child.

"My religious and spiritual beliefs are pretty much what I want them to be," he said. Given his background, this suggests he is a Talmudic Jew.

The Talmud is the body of rabbinical law that most American and Israeli Jews follow. The Talmud, however, re-interprets and negates much of the Torah and contains some anti-Christian sentiments. [For a better understanding of the anti-Christian aspects of the Talmud, read Israel Shahak's "Jewish History, Jewish Religion: The Weight of 3,000 Years"]

NO OPPOSITION

Unlike other Bush nominees, there was no opposition in the Senate to Chertoff heading DHS. The Senate voted 98-0 to approve Chertoff on February 15. Chertoff, 51, took the oath of office that night in "a private ceremony at the White House."

DHS has a $32 billion budget, 180,000 employees, and jurisdiction over immigration, customs and transportation security, the Coast Guard, the Secret Service and the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

The question of Chertoff's dual-nationality doesn't seem to have concerned a single U.S. senator.

"I applaud President Bush for this outstanding choice," said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist (R-Tenn.). "We are proud to have a man of his caliber and talent serving and protecting the American people."

"Our country is very fortunate to have someone with the background, experience, the intellect, the qualifications and the integrity of Judge Chertoff," Senator Susan Collins (R – Maine), chair of the Senate Homeland Security Committee, said.

After six hours of debate, Collins urged the Senate to act quickly on Chertoff's nomination.

During the period before and after the terror attacks of September 11, 2001, Chertoff headed the criminal division at the Department of Justice where he "helped trace the 9/11 terrorist attacks to the al-Qaida network."

Chertoff became Assistant Attorney General for the Criminal Division, by a vote of 95-1 on May 24, 2001. The dissenting vote came from Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (D – N.Y.).

In this position Chertoff was architect of some of the most controversial elements of the Bush administration's domestic war on terrorism and played a central role in formulating the Bush administration's "anti-terrorism policy." He defended the administration's decisions to hold military tribunals for non-U.S. suspect terrorists and to monitor phone conversations between attorneys and their clients.

Chertoff oversaw the detention of 762 foreign nationals for minor immigration violations, although none was charged with a terrorism-related crime. The detention of hundreds of people was necessary to detect "sleeper cells" of terrorists, he said.

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"Chertoff headed the Justice Department's criminal division when hundreds of foreigners were swept up on minor charges and held for an average of 80 days," The Washington Post reported. "Some detainees were denied their right to see a lawyer, were not told of the charges against them, or were physically abused."

At the same time, Chertoff allowed scores of suspected Israeli terrorists and spies to quietly return to Israel. In several cases, Israeli suspects working for phoney moving companies, such as Urban Moving Systems from Weehawken, N.J., were caught driving moving vans which tested positive for explosives. On September 14, Dominic Suter, the owner of the moving company, which was found to be a Mossad front company, fled to Israel after FBI agents requested a second interview.

One group of 5 Israelis was seen on the roof of Urban Moving Systems videotaping and celebrating the destruction of the World Trade Center. These Israeli agents were returned to Israel on visa violations.

These Israeli suspects, and others, who had apparently transported explosives in the New York area, were allowed to return to Israel without being properly interrogated or their presence and activities in the United States having been vigorously investigated.

[tiremonkey2000]

I can't sleep

[tiremonkey2000]

I get too see my kids tomorrow

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:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:

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I think my big screen T.V. just died on me

[tiremonkey2000]

:donkeybal No T.V.

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I'm glad i did'nt throw out the old one

[tiremonkey2000]

Well i'm gonna go watch a movie in the living room or something be back later

[tiremonkey2000]

Man did we have some serious thunder storms here last night

[tiremonkey2000]

Woke me up at about midnight, set off car alarms and everything

[tiremonkey2000]

Had to shut down my computer also reset the clocks and the alarm clock so we could get up this morning LOL

[tiremonkey2000]

Time for work now, until 2 pm and then i get ready for my flight. I will try to get back later this evening to say hello.

[The_Amber]

What happened to the tv? I might just be able to help.

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TODAY'S MYSTERY QUOTE

QUOTE: "Be it known that we, the greatest, are misthought."

HINT: Was queen of ancient Egypt, the last member of the
Macedonian Ptolemaic dynasty.

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On Boise, Idaho's 1985 mayoral election, Mr. Potatohead
received four write-in votes.

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Until 1967, LSD was legal in California.

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The average age for a parrot is 120 years.

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Padunkle is the little known brother of Padiddle, the game
in which you call out cars that have a broken headlight.
Padunkle is used when referring to a broken taillight.

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San or santo is the Spanish word for saint, as used in San
Francisco (honoring Saint Francis) and San Diego (honor-
ing Saint Didacus).