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Russia's No.1 terrorist Basayev killed in S.Russia
Chechen warlord Shamil Basayev, Russia's most wanted rebel, was killed overnight, handing a huge boost to President Vladimir Putin on as he prepared to host a Group of Eight summit.
FSB security chief Nikolai Patrushev said Basayev, who had claimed responsibility for the bloody 2004 Beslan school siege, had been about to mount an attack in southern Russia to mar the weekend G8 summit Putin will chair in St Petersburg.
Putin, whose already huge popularity at home will be further boosted by the news as he prepares to meet US President George W Bush and other world leaders, said Basayev's death was "deserved retribution" for his campaign of killing.
More than 331 people, half of them children, were killed in Beslan in September 2004 after Russian forces tried to end a siege of the school, which had been seized by Islamist militants linked to Chechnya's fight for independence.
"This is deserved retribution against the bandits for our children in Beslan, in Budennovsk, for all these acts of terror they committed in Moscow and other Russian regions, including Ingushetia and Chechnya," the Kremlin leader said in televised comments.
Budennovsk was a reference to an attack on a hospital in June 1995 - long before Putin came to power.
Rebels seized hundreds of hostages in the southern town and more than 100 people died during the assault and a botched Russian commando raid.
Patrushev said Basayev, along with other Chechen fighters, was killed in an operation by special forces in Ingushetia, a region neighbouring Chechnya.
"They intended to use this terrorist act to put pressure on Russia's leadership at a time when the G8 summit was being held," Patrushev said.
Details of how Basayev was killed were not entirely clear, nor was the role played by special forces.
According to state television, he was killed when a truck blew up while rebels were loading it with explosives in the village of Ekazhevo.
He himself was sitting in a civilian car nearby and died in the massive explosion.
"There was an enormous explosion. All those who were in a radius of the blast were blown to pieces," Ingushetia's interior ministry Beslan Khamkhoyev was quoted as saying by Interfax news agency.
"In the morgue there are four bodies of fighters. We calculate that the number of fighters eliminated is 10," Khamkhoyev said. He added that the special operation had been meticulously planned.
Chechen rebel envoy Akhmed Zakayev told Ekho Moskvy radio that he doubted the official version.
"I do not believe there was some operation carried out by Patrushev and his colleagues. I think this was a fatal accident," he said by telephone from London.
The heavily-bearded Basayev, who was born in 1965, professed to be a devout Muslim.
His left foot was blown off by a mine in 2000 and he wore a false one.
Interfax quoted another senior Ingushetia official as saying he had been identified by body fragments, including his head and his prothesis.
Basayev, in a television interview aired last year, justified the attack on Beslan by saying Russian civilians, including children, were legitimate targets in his homeland's bloody fight for independence from Moscow.
"We are at war. Russians ... pay their taxes for this war, send their soldiers to this war, their priests sprinkle holy water on the soldiers," Basayev said in his soft lilt.
"How can they be innocent? Russians are accomplices in this war. It is just they don't all have weapons in their hands," he said in the interview with Britain's Channel 4.
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Accidentally killed in a huge explosion, by the explosives he intended to use. Irony is great.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Despite their methods, I do believe they have some justification. You have to remember that their strive for independence was rather brutally crushed by the Russians in the 90s.
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There is no such thing as justification for purposely massacreing children.
World is not as black-and-white. What would you say to them? "Shit happens, so what the Russians are occupying your country, take it like a man?"
Seeing you are from U.S I can't blame you for your opinion. You guys never lived in the shadow of the Soviet empire (or empires before them). Coming myself from a nation of only 5 million people I can relate to the struggle against superior enemy and can see why someone would resort to such methods.
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What would you say to them? " Russia is occupying you country, go murder their children!"
I am aware the world is not black and white. Maybe you should learn your history. The United States did live under the shadow of an empire, that of the British. They oppressed us by monoplozing our trade, taxing us without representation, sending their soldiers to live inside American houses, and taking our sailors off of their own boats and forcing them into the Royal Navy. Did we send terrorists over to Britain to murder their children? No.
There are other ways of fighting for your rights and sovereignty than killing children. It doesn't matter what reason, killing children isn't okay.
Not only that, but Basayev's actions really didn't do anything to support his cause, in fact it just drew negative attention to it.
What country are you from by the way?
And I take your comments about the United States as an insult.
There can be justification for guerilla tactics in warfare when outnumbered.
There cannot be justification for intentionally bringing harm to civilians, especially children, regardless of what injustices have been suffered.
Ever.
Well I mean, I know these people killed children intentionally. But we're probably killing like what, 5 children a day in Iraq, unintentionally.
I don't see how we're any better.
You're being obtuse.
I'll let you in on a little secret -
intentionally making civilians your targets is always worse than having unintended civilian casualities occur as a result of your operations, period.
Right...what exactly was this insulting comment?Originally Posted by wiseguy43
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Just how many civilians have been killed in Iraq after the US led invasion...
or Vietnam? ololol
Civilians killed as a side effect of action taken by US forces is completely different - it has nothing to do with targeting civilians directly. I don't know much about Vietnam aside from Mai Lai. Not sure what your point is (or if you have one) but the fact remains that while civilian casualties as a result of military operations is tragic, intentionally targeting them is evil. It takes more logical acrobatics to deny that than it does to acknowledge it. Even if you have prepared a list of atrocities commited by the US in both of the conflicts you mentioned (and the best that could be presented would all be exceptions to our standards of doing things, not a description of "normal" warfare), I can safely say they couldn't possibly be seriously compared to a group for whom targeting civilians is the mode de rigeur. So... the point's moot. Trying to place a force who, by and large, attempts to minimize civilian casualties anywhere near the same moral level as a force who, by and large, targets civilians directly is at best disingenuous and at worst ludicrous.Just how many civilians have been killed in Iraq after the US led invasion...
or Vietnam? ololol
You group everybody in the United States into one group, and figure we all dont know anything about opressed countries. I am an Irish american, I know about the struggle between Ireland and North Ireland and I am in no way supporting terrorist tactics used by the IRA. Many people in the United States are refugees from countries you are speaking. That is why your comment was insulting to me. It is far too popular these days to take shots at America. Everybody acts as though we are some big evil empire when you could take anything America has ever done wrong, and easily find a country that has done it 5x as badly.Right...what exactly was this insulting comment?
And I take it that you concede to all my other arguments in my post seeing as how your only picked out one little point in my entire argument.
And once again, what country are you from? You say you know about oppression so I want to know where you are from.
I never said I know about oppression, I said I can relate to them. There is a difference. I can easily understand and imagine chains of events that would lead some people to commit acts like that. And I concede to no argument of yours.
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