Nice write up man. I couldn't agree with you more.
The MPAA and certain anti-p2p companies have mounted a fear mongering campaign against file sharers. Several weeks ago, an anti-p2p company called BayTSP announced that they developed software that allows them to trace the original distributor of a file, specifically on the eDonkey network and on BitTorrent trackers. This announcement was made for the sole purpose of scaring file sharers into believing that if they were the first person to share a copyrighted file on a certain network, they would be in big trouble.
The fact is, it’s been possible to track down the original distributor of a file on eDonkey and BitTorrent for a long time now. BayTSP is well aware of this, but since their announcement was designed to strike fear into the hearts of file sharers, they conveniently left out the part that they have been able to track down the original seeder long before they developed this software that apparently automates this process. Judging by the response to this announcement on several P2P news Websites, a small portion of file sharers have bought into this fear mongering campaign hook, line and sinker.
Whether or not it matters if a person was the first, second, or fiftieth person to share a copyrighted file on a network is another argument altogether. The original seeder on any P2P network and the individual who created the digital file are almost always not the same person and this same file has probably been available on other P2P networks prior to the time this person began sharing it.
The fear mongering campaign has now escalated, with the MPAA seizing control of lokitorrent.com and plastering the message, “You can click but you can’t hide” on the front page. This is not unlike the way mobsters intimidate witnesses. Enforcers and murderers tell these witnesses that they can run but they can’t hide if they testify against them. However, the MPAA has taken it one step further by including a message that states, “The illegal downloading of motion pictures robs thousands of honest, hard-working people of their livelihood, and stifles creativity.” In addition to threatening file sharers, they are attempting to invoke empathy by making absurd claims.
The reality is that every time someone downloads a copyrighted movie, it does not equate to a loss of a potential sale. While it’s true that some people will download a DVD instead of buying it, it’s also true that some people will download a poor quality rip of a movie and then go out and purchase the DVD. Would this person have purchased the DVD if he didn’t have the ability to “illegally” download it?
2004 was a banner year for Hollywood. Their box office numbers were higher than ever and DVD sales generated hundreds of millions of dollars. Despite all of their rhetoric, they have yet to prove that the act of sharing copyrighted movies has negatively impacted their industry.
The notion that “illegal downloading” robs thousands of hard-working people of their livelihood and stifles creativity is laughable. If the movie industry went on a downward spiral, for any reason, the first thing that would happen is that actors would no longer make 15 or 20 million dollars a movie. Do they really expect people to believe their industry is in trouble while they pay actors ridiculous sums of money to star in a movie? They obviously don't expect us to feel sorry for wealthy actors, so they are trying to make everyone believe that the people who will be affected most are ordinary people instead of the wealthy actors. This is not logical, since every Hollywood movie must have a set decorator, wrangler, producer, production assistant, etc. These people would not lose their jobs. The worst thing that could happen to the industry is that they would be forced to stop grossly overpaying actors, but don’t hold your breath for
this to happen. Hollywood is alive and doing extremely well. They were wrong about the VHS and they’re wrong about P2P.
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Nice write up man. I couldn't agree with you more.
Kerry Me
Your ideas are right on Drake51. This is but another smear campaign designed to simply cow the people who may not stay current or are thinking about trying p2p. I would guess that it is a little too late to put the cork back in the bottle at this point.As you point out, this year was a banner year for the movie industry and video sales topped the charts. I haven't seen any data that suggests that p2p hurts the sale of the movies and all data points to quite the contrary. But they are doing considerably quicker what the RIAA took over 5 years to do, start suing people, so it will be interesting to see whats next. I look forward to seeing what the next shot fired from the P2P community is. High encryption, anonymous networks I hope! =D> Nice job once again!
Drake51- very well said i agree, (i wish i had a private jet and drive a very expensive carlike the movie stars
Drake51, you have put together with thought and reason, what alot of us feel.
Anyone who has a minimum of logic would not argue the facts.
Thanks !
You should post that text on the other p2p forums.
We all knew how fucking greedy the fucking MPAA are, (AA stands for assosiation of assholes) and the shitty hollywood celebrities. It's true so many of them get fuckin millions to star in movies, it's sick. They basicly donate 0.001% of their multimillion salary and idiot people consider them gods of this shit or fashion or whatever. Just fuck them man, download as much as you can, upload as much as you can, that's what we gotta do now. There will be mirror sites popping up soon and you can always google for some torrents. I know it's inconviniet but who says anything in life is easy, well except maybe being a rich, greedy celebrity. Fucking shitty flicks are more than $10 here in Canada, and so many of them suck. I don't buy any American music, cauze for one, I am not a 13 year girl going through puberty and listening to pop shit and 2, most of the fucking rap crap is fake so I don't listen to that shit either. But I have friends who buy a cd, 25 to 30 bucks a pop and for what? For a fucking two or three tracks that are on the fucking radio anyway, being overplayed over and over again. Can't wait for satellite radio here in Canada and fuck MPAA, fuck them. Get the p2p security you need, and dowload and upload as much as you can.
This is a classic "Dog in a Manger" approach by MPAA. They are making lots of profits and yet they want to stop others from enjoying their creation even when it costs MPAA nothing.
The allusion is to one of Aesop’s fables, written about 600BC, in which a dog was taking a nap in a manger. When an ox came and tried to eat the hay in the manger, the dog barked furiously, snapped at him and wouldn’t let him get at his food, food that, of course, was useless to the dog. At last the ox gave up and went away muttering, “Ah, people often grudge others what they cannot enjoy themselves”.
As for whether is it the actors or the ordinary worker in a film studio that loses, the economic perspective is found here
http://www.dklevine.com/general/intellectual/mpaa.htm
How many of you get your information directly from the RIAA or MPAA? Not too many. Most of us here know about what is going on with the RIAA and MPAA through p2p news sites. It is the p2p news sites which are promoting this climate of fear because they would rather report a story on how the RIAA sued someone or how the MPAA shut down a site than to have no story at all.
Well not that we need every single p2p detail that happens on the web, but MPAA aint that small of news. The law suits do happen and imagine how you'd feel if you got the letter tomorrow saying that you are being sued for a few g's for downloading this and that. Two days ago, when the whole lokitorrent thing went down, I put on my peer guardian before I went to the site and next thing you know, Warenet or something like that gets 15 unsuccesful hits on me in a matter of minutes. I go on google see what the hell is warenet and I see shit that MPAA is using it to do some sort of tracking. We all know that p2p has it's legit and illegit purposes and I am sure that most of p2p peers are pissed off about high prices of entertainment these days, so that's why we download sometimes, see it/play it and probably go off and buy it. The fucking lobby groups MPAA and RIAA keeps on bitching about lost $ and the united states of corporations stands behind them. Now I see p2p more than just sharing files and so forth. It's some sort of a battle, yet as a p2p user, I don't feel wrong about my illegit downloads. I have my reasons and seeing MPAA's diss on lokitorrent site yesterday pissed me off more than anything. That's why we need to keep fucking them up. MPAA is nothing but a loaded, fucknig loaded lobby group who does not care about its consumers, nor artists, it's all about making sure that we as consumers keep on buying $25 dollar cd's for those 2 songs that we like. And who da fuck needs to care about movie starts, most make more in a year than most of us will in a lifetime.
I don't think you can really blame P2P News sites for this. Sure we here at P2PForums have talked about "are we being a cats paw for the RIAA/MPAA?" but what should we news like loki's take down? Or hundreds of suits getting files against idiots who where sharing on Kazaa? I think we do the best we can here at this site to keep our users informed without tring to scare them shitless.
Kerry Me
stz_03...yup man, i couldnt agree with ya more. To hell with AA's and their greedful way of living. I certainly feel like the little man in this, like the underdog. That's why i agree also with uploading and download all u can.![]()
POWER TO THE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!![]()
The scare tactics only hit a minority of p2p users with the actual lawsuits. What worries me about reporting on every new lawsuit is that it puts fear into the hearts of the majority of p2p users and then when that happens the **AA will succeed. Perhaps we have to remain willfully ignorant of what is going on, so that we all continue to use filesharing and allow people to browse our shared files and allow uploads without being leeches. By putting ourselves at risk through willful ignorance we are sacrificing ourselves towards the cause of p2p filesharing. The more people sacrificing themselves the better off we will be. No matter how much they litigate against it, filesharing will eventually have to succeed if everyone keeps doing it.
I used to use Amazon to check out bands I had heard about fom friends etc, but they give you such a small part of each song. So I turned to Kazaa and suchlike to try before I buy.
However with the increasing use of fascist tactics I've now given up buying cd's from the stores and buy from eBay instead. Sod them, sod em all. They wanna suck every penny from us. Now we can't even make our own compilations up without having to find ways around copy protection on cd's. It's out of hand and they'll get what they deserve. Their own greed created the situation where people download free music, movies, etc. Why can't they just be more honest and reduce the prices, reduce the control.
Maybe this will bring about a revolution in the music industry so that it becomes un-industrial, i.e. not just mass producing music to make money for money's sake.
Bands can easily sell their own cd's and mp3's without being enslaved by dictatorial record companies who rip them off too.
Metallica did themselves a great dis-service by siding with the money mongers. Bands of their status could easily go it alone and provide their fans with music without any record companies involvement. It's just lazy not to do so and bad business sense too as they'd make far more money for themselves too by selling thier music direct at a much cheaper rate.
The "information" that comes from them is mostly B.S.Originally Posted by eclectica
I think we focus on the lawsuits too much as well and not enough on emerging p2p apps like MUTE, Ants and the few decentralized networks based on BitTorrent. However, a lot of casual file sharers get their news from p2p news sites and I think it's better that they get their news from us rather than mainstream media outlets who just repeat everything the RIAA/MPAA tell them.Originally Posted by eclectica
How many times have you read an article which states file sharing is illegal? By presenting another side of the story, minus the propaganda, we're at least weeding out some of the bullshit. It might create a climate of fear, but this article wasn't meant to do that.
The better informed we are, the better chance we stand to figure out a way to win this war. I doubt the courts will help us so we will have to find another way.
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Hi everyone, I am new here and getting nervous.
Is something going on with Kazaa that I should know about?
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