Thread: Slow as hell.....(56k)

Well yeah its obvious that 56k is gonna be slow but i mean come on....we gotta upload to be able to download?? the max we can download is bout 5 KB/s and then having to upload to download...i been here all night downloading a damn game and still is gonna be a loooooooooooong week...since its uploading 3KB and download 1 to 2 KB/s...wtf , i think it should have a option to lower the upload to 1 KB for us 56k'ers....

Not everyone has $$$ to get a Cable ISP or DSL or w/e

Sorry MI, BT in general was designed to use broadband. 56k is simply not enough bandwidth to be effecient in any network. I saw over at suprnova.org that to figure out your best settings you take the number of of max dl and divide by 8 that gives you a max of about 5 or 6 kbps dl and your up would be like 2 or 3 at best on a fast file. IF and thats IF BC is an intelligent program it will start to slow nodes like yours in favor of higher speed ones, basically cutting you off. I don't know if it in fact works this way just a theory.

Originally Posted by Morgwen

I remember the time I had a 56k modem it was a real pain.

Morgwen

Yeah even a decent hi rez still porn pict would take forever to download!

With a v.92 56k modem and an isp that supports v.92, along with good line conditions, you can achieve close to the maximum of 53kbs down and 48 up. Because BT is set up to limit your download to the same as your upload speed, that can give a 56k user close to a third of the BT download speed of a broadband user with a seemingly impressive 1.5Mbs down/128Kbs up.

Of course, that's in a perfect world, and your speed could be a lot less. I totally disagree that BT is inefficient for 56k or that eDonkey is a better choice. ed2k has a better selection of files, for sure, but because ed2k is trackerless, those 1.5Mbs down/128Kbs up broadband users end up pigging out on the donkey, sucking down a lot more than they will ever upload. Overnet's (MM) Horde helps 1:1 ratio'ers somewhat in this regard when big files are downloaded.


But BT should work just fine for a 56k because it does not have the long queues of edonkey, and many dial-up isps will disconnect after a certain time limit is reached, often in just a few hours.

Anytime you use a P2P application that has a very high bandwidth threshhold for throttle settings, such as 3K for a dialup user, you need to use an add-on bandwidth throttle application such as Netlimiter v.1.29 (do not even try v. 1.3!) which edonkey users should have no trouble locating

Ive used bittorrent on my dialup plenty. While its not the most effective means of transfer for dialup, it still does work. The high network overhead usually slows transfers down quite a bit. It does still work however, though i wouldnt bother with anything larger than ~150mb since you can probably get it faster off ed2k then.

Originally Posted by jaba

Ive used bittorrent on my dialup plenty. While its not the most effective means of transfer for dialup, it still does work. The high network overhead usually slows transfers down quite a bit. It does still work however, though i wouldnt bother with anything larger than ~150mb since you can probably get it faster off ed2k then.

Well at least we know where all the BT related speed issues are coming from lately it's jaba's machine!

I think protocol overhead losses for a 56k is rather trivial compared to having to wait on queues, which can often be for hours. Multi-protocol clients like Shareaza use a lot of overhead, but can help avoid queues for rare files, so it may be worth it.

Since most dialup users do not stay onling 24/7 like broadband users, having a long queue can really kill a download. You might let it run overnight, and in the morning, just as it finally begins to get through the queues and starts to download, you might need to disconnect to make some phone calls. Then all the long hours spent waiting in those queues is just wasted. Bittorrent does not have this problem as bad as ed2k, so small files tend to download and complete right away. Waiting until you have several files to download at a time also helps greatly with ed2k or most any p2p.

In my opinion, if the file is available on BT, then that is probably the best P2p for a 56ker to use.

Originally Posted by Morgwen

the uploaad speed decreases the download speed. As I said the best choice is a network where you can disable sharing!

There is never any valid reason to disable sharing on a P2P network.

On Bittorrent, as with all P2Ps, it is important to throttle the upload speed. Without doing that, your download speed will suffer greatly. Just set the upload throttle to about 80% or 90% of upload bandwidth capacity, and you can then download at wide-open bandwidth.

It makes little difference whether on dialup, cable, DSL, or T3 line, throttling the upload bandwidth works the same way on all.

I'm using broadband...but my upload rate is like over 30kB/s when I download rate is 1 - 2kB/s. How can I change this?

hi im new to bitcomet, and i must say i like it alot, along with these forums. my question is that i am on 56k dialup and i have my max download rate set to 7kb/sec and max upload rate to 3kb/sec. anyways i was just wondering is this a good setup rate? if not, what should i set my download and upload rates to? also, how can i get my U/D Ratio up? right now its sitting at 0.4 here's my log:



BitComet 0.60 is running on:
CPU : Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 1.60GHz 1594 MHz
RAM size : 255.42 MB
OS Version: Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)


Default tracker optimization rules file loaded.
IP rules file: ipfilter.dat loaded, 0 entries.
Start Listening at TCP Port:65534
Start Listening at UDP Port:65534
Update Local IP: 172.155.197.211

so if i need to make any changes that might help me download/upload faster, just lemme know. thanks so much in advance.

Originally Posted by DJ CircularMotive

hi im new to bitcomet, and i must say i like it alot, along with these forums. my question is that i am on 56k dialup and i have my max download rate set to 7kb/sec and max upload rate to 3kb/sec. anyways i was just wondering is this a good setup rate?:

Those settings should work just fine. (although the setting is harmless, the 7k download throttle is set too high to have any real effect one way or the other)

In reality, though, it is not needed to set a download throttle, unless you are releasing a file and need the maximum upload bandwidth possible.

I use a bandwidth meter/monitor like NetMeter which allows me to see my actual bandwidth. The maximum levels will vary, so I am often tweaking the throttle settings according to the current maximum line capacity. To find the current bandwidth capacity, just remove the throttle and see what the bandwidth becomes. There are websites that will measure bandwidth, but this is not quite as accurate because those websites are measuring HTTP bandwidth, not a P2P transfer protocol. (I get much higher measured bandwidth in UDP protocols, for instance)

Since BitComet has a minimum bandwidth throttle of 3KBytes/s, a third-party throttling software such as Netlimiter or DU Super Controler might be a good idea for the times when you need to go below 3K (such as using 2 P2Ps simultaneously).

BTW - I often get less than 3K bandwidth on my home dialup ISP, due to the old lines and long distance.